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BREAKING: Alabama lawmakers vote to effectively totally ban Abortion in the state

Mar 30, 2018
172
France
Ok sorry but I have to counter some bad takes here, and I know they come from good hearts, but... Yeah. no.

- "If I was a woman in Alabama I would stop having sex":
Problematic on different accounts, also dismissing the fact women can get raped and pregnant thus not solving the problem anyway. But also frames sex as a commodity that men are in demand of, and that women are delivering. As if women can't have sexual urges of their own, and have their own sexual agenda. Asking women to use sex as a tool is a very sexist way to frame sex, to say the least. We love sex as much as you do guys, despite what society conditions us to believe, so... no thank you to this solution.

- "If I was a women in Alabama I would move out to another state":
Sure, if you're an independent and rich-enough woman, that can be a solution. Sadly, that ain't the solution for a lot of women in there, they can't afford to move out, whether it be financially or for family reasons, or what have you. This is kinda classist to think it should be as easy as this.

What we should do however is: encourage all Alabaman women (and men with uteruses) to fight for their rights, without having to stop having sex, without having to move out, or what have you. Because fleeing the problem won't solve it, this law passing might actually encourage a lot of other states/countries in doing the exact same shit, because a bunch of sexist assholes in Alabama showed the way, and they'll feel legitimized and emboldened by it. Unless you can tell me women will be able to flee the Earth and create their own non-mixed colony in space that they'll have full control of, this shit ain't gonna get solved like this. Sorry for being a Debbie Downer about it, but... it felt much-needed.
 
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Oct 28, 2017
4,472
Arkansas, USA
Well gee golly, if it’s the only option left after having everything else stifled I guess there’s just no choice. It all just happens to come together like that. And of course abstinence will go over swimmingly with horny teens, meanwhile only one gender continues to get punished for transgressions. Convenient.
It's all shit, and yes it's what the American Taliban wants.
 
Oct 31, 2017
2,299
There was a clip of a Republican saying that his conversations with 12 and 14 year old girls about this give him pause. I submit that any decent human being would be railing against that, especially after being confronted with it, but this is the southern GOP at it's purest.

A medical professional wouldn't be able to administer an abortion to an underage survivor of rape and/or incest under threat of being prosecuted for a felony. Anyone supporting this is an ogre, and frankly I don't consider them fellow Americans, or human for that matter.
 

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Nov 25, 2017
6,451
Minnesota
I'm not arguing that abstinence is the right way to go. But if you're stuck in a place where abortion is illegal and you don't have access to effective birth control what other options are there?

I know that refusing sex with men wouldn't make a huge difference (young people in the US are already having less sex), but it's better than doing nothing while your rights are continually stripped away.
Even in that ridiculous scenario there's still the issue of rape, and in those cases there's literally nothing that could be done. Again, this is a ridiculous argument.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,414
Canada
The fact that most States talking about banning abortion rather than focus on how to help parents with infant/child welfare says a LOT.

Fuck the world; we see to much ugly in it every day; this is really just the cherry on top of another day.
 
Oct 28, 2017
4,472
Arkansas, USA
Even in that ridiculous scenario there's still the issue of rape, and in those cases there's literally nothing that could be done. Again, this is a ridiculous argument.
It isn't a ridiculous scenario, it's reality in poor America. Easy, effective, and safe birth control is the answer; but it isn't available to poor women in these states.

I know that abstinence is a poor solution.
 
Nov 5, 2017
1,287

Here is a thread with links and orgs you can support to fight shit like this.

We are all angry, but let’s all get active too. Use the anger for good
 
Apr 9, 2019
507
CLT
Yeah I think this is right--they're trying to burn all the bridges behind them to make it as hard as possible to undo their shittiness. Sure hope you're right about the death throes, but man some of those MAGA teens on insta give me a bad feeling.
I definitely hear you on that but consider two things: they're kids. Teenage rebellion has many forms and this is a particularly obnoxious strain. And also if it's taken this long for politicians that represent millennial and generation X's ideals to trickle into office imagine how much longer it will be for them?

Also while the MAGA teens are troubling because they enjoy triggering libs so much, I have friends who teach these kids and their politics when you get right down to it really align more with a kind of... and, excuse the terminology, "Nationalist democratic socialism." Trump's specific policy approaches don't really represent them as much as, say, an Andrew Yang might. It's less ideology and more aesthetics for these kids.

Not ideal, but still better than how it seems on its face... maybe. I dunno, that still sounds like a bunch of capitalists who wanna put minorities in camps I guess so maybe not. I predict a fairer government but a more racially segregated society in like fifty years.
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,439
Portland, OR
Lol. The USA reaching Scandinavian standards is beyond utopia at this point.
There are plenty of states that would be more than willing to work toward reaching those standards (especially on the coasts) - it's the backwards-ass third world states in the Bible Belt that fuck it up for the rest of us.

I know it's not realistic or even really possible, but I'd love to be able to relocate the people who don't want to be there to the coasts, and then have all those coastal states secede - the South can have their own little Christian Saudi Arabia and we could actually make some progress without having a bunch of Republican moochers siphoning away resources from the rest of us.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,681
California
Can you imagine if the South had won the Civil War? We'd still have slavery, women wouldn't be able to vote and I probably wouldn't live here because brown people wouldn't be allowed in the country.
 
Dec 17, 2018
340
Not ideal, but still better than how it seems on its face... maybe. I dunno, that still sounds like a bunch of capitalists who wanna put minorities in camps I guess so maybe not. I predict a fairer government but a more racially segregated society in like fifty years.
Yeah I hear you, definitely did my fair share of trolling as a kid so I hope a lot of them will grow out of it. Definitely not for all the media throwing these kids under the bus either, we should give them a chance to work through their views without being relentlessly in the media.

What you're describing as like... racist capitalist utopia is definitely not a big improvement imo, lol. There's some kind of crazy rebranding of a bunch of neocon stuff as "left-wing" going on right now (look at Jordan Peterson fanboys for example, many of whom somehow consider him "left-wing"). These people may be, for example, in favor of gay marriage, but then they may turn around and say "but the data point to extreme differences between the races on blah blah blah..." It sounds like what they want is the America from Snow Crash which is... not great...
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,502
I'm not arguing that abstinence is the right way to go. But if you're stuck in a place where abortion is illegal and you don't have access to effective birth control what other options are there?

I know that refusing sex with men wouldn't make a huge difference (young people in the US are already having less sex), but it's better than doing nothing while your rights are continually stripped away.
Ya, instead women will get attacked for not putting out or worse, murdered by incels...

Women can’t win and its fucking disgusting.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,014
Women just need to pull themselves up by their um-biblical cords and live with God's plan of being raped and impregnated against their will y'all /s
 
Oct 25, 2017
913
This doesn’t matter until they get the Supreme Court to overrule Roe vs Wade, which even a conservative one may uphold RvW. Don’t forget it was a conservative judge that allowed ObamaCare through, so there is still hope.
 
Apr 9, 2019
507
CLT
I know it's not realistic or even really possible, but I'd love to be able to relocate the people who don't want to be there to the coasts, and then have all those coastal states secede - the South can have their own little Christian Saudi Arabia and we could actually make some progress without having a bunch of Republican moochers siphoning away resources from the rest of us.
I'm assuming this plan involves salvaging the millions of diverse racial residents and LGBT folks from those states as well? Because there are a lot of us and we're fighting for our lives. The rest of the population are largely being manipulated by politicians and religious leaders. Not that I disagree that the red states are a siphon on the rest of the country, but many of us don't have the resources to simply move either.

Anyway, I'm sure you have the best intentions.

What you're describing as like... racist capitalist utopia is definitely not a big improvement imo, lol. There's some kind of crazy rebranding of a bunch of neocon stuff as "left-wing" going on right now (look at Jordan Peterson fanboys for example, many of whom somehow consider him "left-wing"). These people may be, for example, in favor of gay marriage, but then they may turn around and say "but the data point to extreme differences between the races on blah blah blah..." It sounds like what they want is the America from Snow Crash which is... not great...
Yeah it's a real weird problem. It's like a direct, pedantic response to the progress that people of color have made in leftist spaces. Intersectionality is a dirty word these days, after all, in spaces both right and left.
 
Dec 17, 2018
340
Yeah it's a real weird problem. It's like a direct, pedantic response to the progress that people of color have made in leftist spaces. Intersectionality is a dirty word these days, after all, in spaces both right and left.
100%. A lot of my otherwise progressive friends can't stand certain segments of the activist population and react very negatively to terminology used in those spaces, not only "intersectionality" but also more gender-identity-inclusive ways of speaking, phraseology common on leftist twitter/internet blogs, and so on. It's hard not to see the seeds of some kind of reactionism, but it sucks because they're my friends and also most of the time are champions of progressive causes. But it definitely shows you how effective the sleeper cell alt-righters have been in their marketing--they're very effectively playing us against each other, or maybe exposing that a lot of "center-left" people have more in common with the right than we/they want to think.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,682
Racoon City
If I was a woman living in Alabama I'd just stop sleeping with men. You can't be forced to have a baby if you never get inseminated.
I'm not arguing that abstinence is the right way to go. But if you're stuck in a place where abortion is illegal and you don't have access to effective birth control what other options are there?

I know that refusing sex with men wouldn't make a huge difference (young people in the US are already having less sex), but it's better than doing nothing while your rights are continually stripped away.
Problem with this is:

1. It inherently reduces women's proximity to men as nothing more than sexual objects, that sex is something women give to men and not something women enjoy with men and/or other women.
2. Women merely have sex because men want it, which feeds number 1.
3. Ignores the fact the issue that suggesting women statewide no longer engage in sex doesn't have the side effect of I don't know...women being raped. Please keep in mind that only 5 out of 1000 rapists ever see prison time.
 
Can you imagine if the South had won the Civil War? We'd still have slavery, women wouldn't be able to vote and I probably wouldn't live here because brown people wouldn't be allowed in the country.
If I'm correct South Carolina is in the middle of trying to pass their own heartbeat bill. These assholes wanting to control a woman's right to choose just makes me feel like they just want to breed more southerns to make the south rise again. Of course that's not how it works but try telling these fuckwads that.
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,413
Yes, they are all wearing suits.

Clicked. Then I looked at the image of the person who will be signing this into law:



come the fuck on. top 10 anime betrayals, actually.
This dried-up oxygen thief's daughters and grand-daughters won't have to worry about this, because if they ever needed an abortion they would be sent on a 'spa trip' to NY or CA.

Conservatives are terrorists. Treat them as such
 
Oct 27, 2017
1,077
How long until one of these bottom-feeder states retroactively makes it a crime to have had an abortion in the past? Or considers it murder to get an abortion in a blue state?
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,448
Québec City
Ok sorry but I have to counter some bad takes here, and I know they come from good hearts, but... Yeah. no.

- "If I was a women in Alabama I would move out to another state":
Sure, if you're an independent and rich-enough woman, that can be a solution. Sadly, that ain't the solution for a lot of women in there, they can't afford to move out, whether it be financially or for family reasons, or what have you. This is kinda classist to think it should be as easy as this.

What we should do however is: encourage all Alabaman women (and men with uteruses) to fight for their rights, without having to stop having sex, without having to move out, or what have you. Because fleeing the problem won't solve it, this law passing might actually encourage a lot of other states/countries in doing the exact same shit, because a bunch of sexist assholes in Alabama showed the way, and they'll feel legitimized and emboldened by it. Unless you can tell me women will be able to flee the Earth and create their own non-mixed colony in space that they'll have full control of, this shit ain't gonna get solved like this. Sorry for being a Debbie Downer about it, but... it felt much-needed.
You're right, my post was done on the heat of the moment without much second thought in it, honestly. This is all so shocking. :(
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,538
Yeah, they're all Christian.

Lord knows there are enough reasons to target the patriarchy, but this isn't it champ. Men and women have remarkably similar views nationally and state-wide on abortion in the US overall. A plurality of female Alabama voters support an abortion ban. These old men are elected with the support of women who share their views on this matter.

Ascientific, fundamentalist christianity is the real enemy of women's reproductive rights in the Southern United States. I wish the people calling out these old white dipshits would also call out the dogma that really informs their views.
 
This is ultimately about pushing religious bullshit about abstinence before marriage more than anything else. It's about controlling women, and it's complete bullshit. Leonard French's recent tweet really highlights this for me:


If it were actually about reducing abortions, saving lives, or improving women's health we'd be seeing legislation and programs like the one in that tweet...not prosecuting doctors who are performing necessary procedures.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,334
Yeah, they're all Christian.

Lord knows there are enough reasons to target the patriarchy, but this isn't it champ. Men and women have remarkably similar views nationally and state-wide on abortion in the US overall. A plurality of female Alabama voters support an abortion ban. These old men are elected with the support of women who share their views on this matter.

Ascientific, fundamentalist christianity is the real enemy of women's reproductive rights in the Southern United States. I wish the people calling out these old white dipshits would also call out the dogma that really informs their views.
Funnily enough I was thinking about the fact that they are white more than men. White people both men and women are fucking over poorer minorities in any way they can in the guise of religion.
 
Mar 30, 2018
172
France
The awesome power of racism and fanatical religiosity.

Yeah, white women voting republican is the mixed result of patriarchy in action, as well as white supremacy and classism. Simone De Beauvoir described it so well in The Second Sex, and I definitely won't do her justice trying to convey her thoughts on the matter, but let's say that when it's about toppling patriarchy, class comes heavily into play, and white women are more interested in keeping their social status even if it's heavily reliant on their husbands (since patriarchy makes them heavily reliant in the first place), so they'll side with their husbands more than with other women, because they feel protecting their husband's interests is more beneficial to them, than protecting women's interests as a whole.

It hella fucking sucks, but unlike other marginalized oppressed groups, women barely have a sense of community that make us help each other, because classism and capitalism separates us in efficient ways already, ways that are difficult to overcome and need some work to deconstruct. Nowadays it gets easier though, thanks to the Internet, social medias and such, hence why we saw the rise of Feminism, and the rise of a sorority spirit among women, but... We're still nowhere near the amazing communities that black people can build for themselves, or queer people can build for themselves (I hope my comparisons are okay here).
 
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