Breaking: Charges dropped in case against Jussie Smollett. (See Staff Post)

Cas

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He's not innocent, the cops completed their investigation and found strong evidence he faked it. The State Attorney's office looked at the case and decided it wasn't worth the effort to prosecute him, either because of the money that would be spent in the trial, the negative publicity that would hurt everyone involved with the case (CPD, Smollett, etc), perhaps it was a weak case that would be hard to prosecute, and the fact that Smollett is not a violent criminal and would be unlikely to offend again. Smollett is out 10 grand and some community service hours and the brothers won't get punished for anything beyond the night they spent in jail.
This. It's not that unusual to have a false report end up this way. Many false police reports don't actually get prosecuted, and get let go on a fine and/or community service. I remember a long time ago some woman faking herself being kidnapped and filing a false report, and she got a slap on the wrist. Ya'll remember that shit?

Found it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_bride_case

Freaking lady even had the FBI involved and cost the state over 40 thousand dollars. She paid a 13k fine and nothing more.
 

Seasonics

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This. It's not that unusual to have a false report end up this way. Many false police reports don't actually get prosecuted, and get let go on a fine and/or community service. I remember a long time ago some woman faking herself being kidnapped and filing a false report, and she got a slap on the wrist. Ya'll remember that shit?

Found it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runaway_bride_case

Freaking lady even had the FBI involved and cost the state over 40 thousand dollars. She paid a 13k fine and nothing more.

Yeah but she had to admit guilt and accept a plea bargain to get that. Smollett should at least have to admit guilt
 
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Drey1082

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He's not innocent, the cops completed their investigation and found strong evidence he faked it. The State Attorney's office looked at the case and decided it wasn't worth the effort to prosecute him, either because of the money that would be spent in the trial, the negative publicity that would hurt everyone involved with the case (CPD, Smollett, etc), perhaps it was a weak case that would be hard to prosecute, and the fact that Smollett is not a violent criminal and would be unlikely to offend again. Smollett is out 10 grand and some community service hours and the brothers won't get punished for anything beyond the night they spent in jail.

This summary is accurate. Sometimes the simplest explanation is best.

I’m just kind meh about this guy going around proclaiming innocence vs at the very least some sort of apology.
 
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ParanoidRED

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He's not innocent, the cops completed their investigation and found strong evidence he faked it. The State Attorney's office looked at the case and decided it wasn't worth the effort to prosecute him, either because of the money that would be spent in the trial, the negative publicity that would hurt everyone involved with the case (CPD, Smollett, etc), perhaps it was a weak case that would be hard to prosecute, and the fact that Smollett is not a violent criminal and would be unlikely to offend again. Smollett is out 10 grand and some community service hours and the brothers won't get punished for anything beyond the night they spent in jail.
Thanks for the recap
 

Bramblebutt

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Unless anyone has any FACTS saying otherwise, you’re engaging in pure Alex Jones level conspiracy mongering
In this thread we've heard floated the idea that the Obamas tried to get Jussie off because a former aide to Michelle referred his case to the FBI.

At this point the best course of action for those of us observing this case from the outside should probably be to stop trying to litigate responsibility based on unclear statements and incomplete reporting and just wait for the people with the power and inclination to figure out what's going on to figure out what's going on.
 

Socivol

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I think Rahm's issue is that a guy who refuses to admit his guilt is being let off and the police weren't consulted despite the state's attorney acknowledging that the accused is more than likely guilty. And on top of that they sealed it so the public can't see the real reasoning behind the decision.
Rahm is the last person that should be giving his opinion on justice or the State Attorney's office after what he did. He literally has no right, and no room to talk after he tried to hide the Laquan McDonald tape and released it only after the judge said had it. That was the time to talk about whitewashing justice, not when someone gets off on making a false police report. It's all for show and he's the last person that should be making a scene.
 

studyguy

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This summary is accurate. Sometimes the simplest explanation is best.

I’m just kind meh about this guy going around proclaiming innocence vs at the very least some sort of apology.
Wild conspiracy basically tries to explain some more basic issues that are systemic to the justice system in the dumbest way possible. I personally do believe money played into the outcome, but not through shifty bribes, soros/obama linked nonsense people are peddling but simply better representation. Guy shacked up with Geragos who has seen some real high profile shit, I don't doubt this will sour things for people but I mean yeah justice is one sided for people with means, that's never been in dispute given how a strong defense will get you out the door over some overburdened civil lawyer appointed to you.
 
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Rahm is the last person that should be giving his opinion on justice or the State Attorney's office after what he did. He literally has no right, and no room to talk after he tried to hide the Laquan McDonald tape and released it only after the judge said had it. That was the time to talk about whitewashing justice, not when someone gets off on making a false police report. It's all for show and he's the last person that should be making a scene.
What he did was a bit more dire than falsifying a police report. He was indicted on 16 charges. And what he did, from a social perspective, was fucking heinous. But no argument about Rahm. Dude is a straight up scumbag.
 

NoName999

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That isn't remotely what I'm doing. You misunderstood what I said.
No it was pretty clear.

I mean, newsflash: Even if Smollett was telling the truth, the racists wouldn't believe him. There's no reason to worry that racists will use this story to not believe the next victim because they're never going to believe the next victim. Worry about what racists are thinking about this case is futile.
 

ZeoVGM

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No it was pretty clear.
Apparently not.

I mean, newsflash: Even if Smollett was telling the truth, the racists wouldn't believe him. There's no reason to worry that racists will use this story to not believe the next victim because they're never going to believe the next victim. Worry about what racists are thinking about this case is futile.
It isn't about simply not being believed. It's about the public shame and harassment. But you're narrowing it down "don't worry about them," as if it's something that can easily be ignored by the victim who wants to tell his or her story about a hate crime.
 

Typhonsentra

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I don't think this is justice, but it has been amusing comparing conservative reaction to this to the one for Trump not being charged with obstruction.
 

Air

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So what is the consensus of this situation? i havent been following too closely?
 

TAH3145

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I want to ask why liberals always seem to care about what racist people think? Why is it that I notice people always considering the thoughts of garbage individuals?

If someone is a legitimate victim, then they know what happened is the truth. The fear is about being accused of lying or others casting doubt on their claims. The fault lies with the fucked up doubters, not the victim.

No, the real problem is that sometimes the doubters and antagonizers are the same exact ones who's job is to investigate the case impartially. Thats the real issue.
That’s exactly the issue I see. It wasn’t like some trump supporting idiot was going to believe accusers but now that Jussie Smollett happened they won’t.

The issue I see is the already biased and shitty police will be even more skeptical of minority victims. They’ll be more likely to write the victims off or to disbelieve their story. And it’s not like the police had a great track record with minority victims before this.
 

TheRedSnifit

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Mr. Magats said he dropped the charges after Mr. Smollett agreed to the community service and to give up the $10,000 he paid for his release, money that would have been returned to him if he had made all his court appearances. He also noted that Mr. Smollett had no previous criminal record and said that the dropping of the charges “didn’t exonerate him.”
So in other words he was fined 10k for his shenanigans. It's an unofficial plea deal accessible only to the privileged and anyone who thinks it's anything else is just kidding themselves.
 

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Charges dropped but not exonerated.
Jussie swears to keep up the good fight for the people he used as pawns to boost his popularity. The brothers? Who knows. Feds probably still looking at that fake anthax letter.
Thanks for the heads up. What a crazy situation
 

Pelican

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A near 1%er with moderate fame makes a deal, has charges dropped, and has documents sealed.

About time something normal happened in this case.
 

Ichi

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So who dun goofed? The PD?
no? i mean the PD told its investigation results and it's pretty clear Smollett is guilty.

It's just that he didn't even go to trial because he just paid the $10k and did some community service for it.

and the prosecutor took those into consideration and figured that going to trial isn't worth it and $10k + community service was the "punishment".

Technically he isn't guilty on paper but yknow...

...I mean, really. This guy faked so many shit and went on TV creating drama doing a masquerade of a show to get noticed.
 

Bob Beat

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I don't agree that it's "not even a factor." Obviously, it's not something that can be proven. But I fully believe that a situation like this, seeing that the largely racist original doubters of this case ended up being right about it being fake, can absolutely appear in the mind of someone who is legitimately a victim.
But to them, it's an impossible hurdle. Michael Brown was in the wrong, Trayvon was in the wrong. Everyone who is charged by the police is in the wrong. You can't change their thinking or their impossible requirements for innocence.

The larger problem is how reasonable people allow them to dominate the discussion. They say outrageous things, reasonable people allow it to shift the discussion. Jussie was completely guilty. Hell, there's a tweet where a dude called Michael Flynn a victim who committed a 'process crime' and Jussie as having 'privilege'.

I have always wondered how they got to 16 felony charges. The prosecutor doesn't even try for a plea deal. That's how bad it was. Jussie isn't sitting on millions. They could have wasted his money with a trial. How weak is the case to not even try for a plea?

But the conversation has been shifted. Now it's about how he's actually guilty. The mayor, corrupt fuck he is and the police chief from a racist department are making a fuss, and the prosecutor, who always has a cozy relationship with police are making statements and shifting the narrative. You can't change their thinking.

I am grouping them all together because I don't believe they are without bias. Racists hate a black man for 'getting away' with anything. Cops usually have a bunch of racists and I'm not giving the Chicago PD any credit when they have actual black sites for torture and the prosecutor wants his bread buttered and has immunity from civil suits. The prosecutor has no reason not to inflamed the situation.

The prosecutor couldn't even get a plea deal but has no problem with the evidence? If you can't get a plea deal, it means you have a problem with the evidence.

All this to say, we need to stop giving bad faith actors a platform. Fox is already switching to Jussie, a guy who makes 20k per episode. Yeah, a lot of money but not Johnny Cochran money. Jussie was happy for this to go away for 10k.

We've shifted away from real questions to that he was probably guilty.

My questions are: what actually happened, why were the charges dropped, why is Jussie acting innocent when he hasn't gotten to double jeopardy? They could roll him into court, still, and waste money while Jussie bleeds his bank account to the point he wants a plea. That happens everyday to black people.
 

Stryder

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white·wash
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Wolven Hammer

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No one goofed, the State Attorney said he wasn't exonerated, they just decided that faking a hate crime essentially carries a penalty of some community service and $10k.

Meanwhile you can imagine someone in chicago just lost their son to the system today for a non violent drug charge though. Shit is not right.
no? i mean the PD told its investigation results and it's pretty clear Smollett is guilty.

It's just that he didn't even go to trial because he just paid the $10k and did some community service for it.

and the prosecutor took those into consideration and figured that going to trial isn't worth it and $10k + community service was the "punishment".

Technically he isn't guilty on paper but yknow...

...I mean, really. This guy faked so many shit and went on TV creating drama doing a masquerade of a show to get noticed.
Alright, thanks.

The dude's a piece of shit all the same for giving the right invaluable ammunition for years to come.
 

TAH3145

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