Breaking: Charges dropped in case against Jussie Smollett. (See Staff Post)

Oct 28, 2017
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i think it'd be interesting to compare and contrast your posting history in threads about this case and your posting history in threads about other miscarriages of justice. because you've been at like a ten in all these threads, you've been very passionate at criticizing smollett for faking a hate crime, but are you all up in thread about actual hate crimes, advocating for the victims? are you on here making hundreds of posts about police who murder unarmed black people? Are you given this rich guys who use defamation suits as retribution to press outlets hell?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
 

Instro

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I think Smollett is shitty for what he did but this seems like an enormous amount of energy to devote to yet another wealthy/famous person getting away with a crime. I really don't feel like this happens unless the escapee also happens to be black. Can't have the system not working as intended I guess.
Is there even a point of reference for this though? Yes Hollywood stars get off with crimes all the time, but this case had so much national media attention from the start because of the circumstances, and was played for the public in real time, it's hard to even think of something to compare it to black or white.
 

Shao Kahn

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“Demand Letter-Smollett False Statement”

Says it right there. Pay up your $130K for wasting Chicago PD's time with false report.
 

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i think it'd be interesting to compare and contrast your posting history in threads about this case and your posting history in threads about other miscarriages of justice. because you've been at like a ten in all these threads, you've been very passionate at criticizing smollett for faking a hate crime, but are you all up in thread about actual hate crimes, advocating for the victims? are you on here making hundreds of posts about police who murder unarmed black people? Are you given this rich guys who use defamation suits as retribution to press outlets hell?

Interesting take. Do do this same purity test on rape victims as well? See how slutty they have been in the past before you decide if it’s ok to support thier call for Justice?

Tell us more about past actions diminish calls for current justice.
 

TheGhost

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I think Smollett is shitty for what he did but this seems like an enormous amount of energy to devote to yet another wealthy/famous person getting away with a crime. I really don't feel like this happens unless the escapee also happens to be black. Can't have the system not working as intended I guess.
If anything this is ammo to be used next time a white celebrity does something similar, same rules should apply.

With that said that bill is a bit much, it's punishing the wrong people. The cast, crew, writers and the network shouldn't have to suffer for his stupidity.
 

TAH3145

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i think it'd be interesting to compare and contrast your posting history in threads about this case and your posting history in threads about other miscarriages of justice. because you've been at like a ten in all these threads, you've been very passionate at criticizing smollett for faking a hate crime, but are you all up in thread about actual hate crimes, advocating for the victims? are you on here making hundreds of posts about police who murder unarmed black people? Are you given this rich guys who use defamation suits as retribution to press outlets hell?
For me, I barely post in threads about police shootings and have posted in this thread much more. That isn’t because I consider this a much larger issue than police shootings. Police shootings are far more important and are a tragedy every time they happen. The fact that they continue makes me sick and something absolutely needs to be done about the current state of the police in the United States. In the grand scheme of things, the Jussie Smollett case is a much much smaller issue compared to that.

That being said, I don’t post in the police shooting threads because I have nothing to add. Everything posted in those threads (this is awful, the police officer should be arrested and convicted) mirrors my feelings. There isn’t anyone in those threads posting “the victim deserved it”, “the cops were right” and if there are, they’re banned before I have a chance to tell them what an idiot they are.

Thread like this that’s not the case at all. Just look on the previous page. You have a poster stating they’re fine if he gets away with faking a hate crime.

I post in these threads because there’s an actual discussion to be had and I can add something more than what I would add to those other threads. All I’d be able to add there is “This is disgusting and a tragedy. Why is this still happening?”
 

Greg NYC3

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Is there even a point of reference for this though? Yes Hollywood stars get off with crimes all the time, but this case had so much national media attention from the start because of the circumstances, and was played for the public in real time, it's hard to even think of something to compare it to black or white.
We"ve had celebrities get away with literal murder and with the exception of OJ (big coincidence) their cases got a fraction of the attention that this one has. The fact that the story got bigger once it was revealed as a fraud is telling on it's own but the tabloid nature of it would have turned into a big story with any celebrity.
 

Deception

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We"ve had celebrities get away with literal murder and with the exception of OJ (big coincidence) their cases got a fraction of the attention that this one has. The fact that the story got bigger once it was revealed as a fraud is telling on it's own but the tabloid nature of it would have turned into a big story with any celebrity.
In all honesty, there really hasn't been a story this wild in the social media age that I can recall so I would certainly label this a special case.
This case was sort of a culmination of where our country is currently and has ballooned into both sides refusing to acknowledge any fault.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I never thought Smollet deserved any real jail time and I have no intention of defending the police or criminal justice system as it currently exists but Smollet is an absolute piece of shit not only for orchestrating this entire thing but for now walking around like he’s a legitimate victim of a hate crime.

Given how many people in this nation have actually been victimized by racially-motivated and homophobic attacks, his continued insistence on his innocence is fucking vile and a slap in the face to anyone who has been legitimately victimized.

Seriously, fuck this guy.
 

Trojita

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I wouldn't really characterize Jussie's story getting bigger with the reveal that he might not have been a victim. His story and trying to find the perps was on the news for days. It was one of the main things you'd see on the 24/7 news channel and Jussie's own appearance for interview.
 

joeygreco1985

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We barely have enough money to fund schools, massive pension liabilities, and corrupt politicians (many under an FBI investigation as we speak!) but our Mayor is focused on Jussie fucking Smollett and his nonsense.
That nonsense cost the city and police department over a hundred thousand dollars in investigations, dollars you say the city doesn't have to spare. So the Mayor is justified here
 

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Man, imagine if the city of Chicago or anyone in this thread was as fired up about the miscarriage of justice done to Laquan McDonald as they are about this saga.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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We"ve had celebrities get away with literal murder and with the exception of OJ (big coincidence) their cases got a fraction of the attention that this one has. The fact that the story got bigger once it was revealed as a fraud is telling on it's own but the tabloid nature of it would have turned into a big story with any celebrity.
Jussie literally made the whole thing up for the sole purpose of getting publicity and now we’re wondering why it got so much publicity?
 

Greg NYC3

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In all honesty, there really hasn't been a story this wild in the social media age that I can recall so I would certainly label this a special case.
This case was sort of a culmination of where our country is currently and has ballooned into both sides refusing to acknowledge any fault.
My issue isn't so much the media attention ( that's understandable) it's the anger. It's rare to see this level of outrage about a rich person buying their way out of trouble to the point where the president is calling for investigations and politicians are talking about introducing legislation to find another way to punish him. It's like "oh... so now you notice that the criminal justice system has issues? Interesting.".
I never thought Smollet deserved any real jail time and I have no intention of defending the police or criminal justice system as it currently exists but Smollet is an absolute piece of shit not only for orchestrating this entire thing but for now walking around like he’s a legitimate victim of a hate crime.

Given how many people in this nation have actually been victimized by racially-motivated and homophobic attacks, his continued insistence on his innocence is fucking vile and a slap in the face to anyone who has been legitimately victimized.

Seriously, fuck this guy.
Agreed.
 

DigitalOp

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All of you still bitching about Jussie and ain't say shit about CPD botching the case.

But wanna talk about fucking agendas. Clowns. 🤡
 

OrdinaryPrime

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Man, imagine if the city of Chicago or anyone in this thread was as fired up about the miscarriage of justice done to Laquan McDonald as they are about this saga.
Appealing to worse problems doesn't mean this situation isn't fucked.

All of you still bitching about Jussie and ain't say shit about CPD botching the case.

But wanna talk about fucking agendas. Clowns. 🤡
Talking shit about the CPD is like talking about how the sun rises in the east. It doesn't need to be said all the time since it's so obvious they're fucked.
 

Trojita

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My issue isn't so much the media attention ( that's understandable) it's the anger. It's rare to see this level of outrage about a rich person buying their way out of trouble to the point where the president is calling for investigations and politicians are talking about introducing legislation to find another way to punish him. It's like "oh... so now you notice that the criminal justice system has issues? Interesting.".

Agreed.
Problem is that there is a sizable portion of the white community, black community, and gay community that are upset with the potential that Jussie made everything up, used up resources, and seems to be walking free because he's well connected, well off, and a celebrity.

There's a smaller number of bad actors within the white community, among one political side, that are using this for political and racially divisive means. Problem is lumping the non-bad actors that still express exasperation with what Jussie allegedly did with the bad actors that are saying such outlandish shit like "I want to get rid of any tax benefits for anyone that hires Jussie".
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Man, imagine if the city of Chicago or anyone in this thread was as fired up about the miscarriage of justice done to Laquan McDonald as they are about this saga.
Can we get a show of hands in this thread? Who thinks that Laquan McDonald doesn’t deserve justice? Anyone?

Straw man much?

You’re literally confusing discussion with outrage. There is more discussion in this thread because you have people claiming it’s fine to fake hate crimes to own the conservatives. If I were more “outraged” at Jussie then wouldn’t I want him to serve jail time? (I don’t)
 

Trojita

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We don't know if CPD botched the case. This is all coming from your rumor mill is fact point of view.

and lmao at the insult.
 

DigitalOp

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There doesnt seem to be any indication that CPD botched the case so I imagine that's why no one is bitching about it
They played a leaky public slander game and muddied the waters. Only to find they didnt have proper evidence to move forward.

They were essentially betting on him to admit guilt. They absolutely botched the case
 

Greg NYC3

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Problem is that there is a sizable portion of the white community, black community, and gay community that are upset with the potential that Jussie made everything up, used up resources, and seems to be walking free because he's well connected, well off, and a celebrity.

There's a smaller number of bad actors within the white community, among one political side, that are using this for political and racially divisive means. Problem is lumping the non-bad actors that still express exasperation with what Jussie allegedly did with the bad actors that are saying such outlandish shit like "I want to get rid of any tax benefits for anyone that hires Jussie".
It's always difficult to differentiate between the two groups, even moreso in the anonymous nature of a discussion board.
 

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I'm confused - is it certain that Jussie was guilty?

The weirdest thing about this all has been hearing politicians etc. talking as if he was 100% no doubt guilty. Is that not something for a trial? Now it is just really weird in that there... won't be a trial?
 
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i think it'd be interesting to compare and contrast your posting history in threads about this case and your posting history in threads about other miscarriages of justice. because you've been at like a ten in all these threads, you've been very passionate at criticizing smollett for faking a hate crime, but are you all up in thread about actual hate crimes, advocating for the victims? are you on here making hundreds of posts about police who murder unarmed black people? Are you given this rich guys who use defamation suits as retribution to press outlets hell?
Tell me more about me.
 

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They played a leaky public slander game and muddied the waters. Only to find they didnt have proper evidence to move forward.

They were essentially betting on him to admit guilt. They absolutely botched the case
You're quite literally the only person I've heard say that they didnt have evidence to move forward. Not even the states attorney has been saying that. And I live here where I cant stop hearing about this case. No one is coming it from that angle at all.
 

Deception

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My issue isn't so much the media attention ( that's understandable) it's the anger. It's rare to see this level of outrage about a rich person buying their way out of trouble to the point where the president is calling for investigations and politicians are talking about introducing legislation to find another way to punish him. It's like "oh... so now you notice that the criminal justice system has issues? Interesting.".

Agreed.
This case caused a reaction out of a lot of different communities, and as the story has progressed and grown increasingly outrageous, I think we've seen a mostly proportionate amount of anger being directed at all parties involved (Jussie, CPD, Trump, MAGAts, etc). You've got members of every community fighting for their side and some are unwilling to admit any fault because it will make their side look bad. It's really a shit show no matter what happens and has done nothing but create more issues and things to talk about.
 

Boke18

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LIke I said. Jussie did that shit, but I'm not losing sleep over this.

Fuck Rahm and Fuck CPD acting holier than thou. They didn't give a fuck about justice when it was reported that has black sites around the city to torture minorities. They didn't care about justice in the case of Laquan McDonald. Now they want to get on the soap box and start preaching? They are only doing this because they fucking look like fools right now.
 
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This has been the most entertaining news story this year that's all I know. It's always taking a new twist and turn. Usually you have to wait months between new tidbits. This shit is like every few hours.

Now dude is nominated for a NAACP award, if he wins he is going to show his ass again.
The former owner of the LA Clippers won a bunch of NAACP awards. They don't have much meaning.
 

KHarvey16

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The fact they didn't prosecute him, you think just sat on their hands with proper evidence and let him go willingly?
The police and the state’s attorney say they have evidence he’s guilty. The state’s attorney said they didn’t prosecute because they felt the $10k and community service he does is enough. Now many, including the Illinois state bar, have written describing why and how this arrangement is totally unusual.

Are you really not following any of this?
 

DigitalOp

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LIke I said. Jussie did that shit, but I'm not losing sleep over this.

Fuck Rahm and Fuck CPD acting holier than thou. They didn't give a fuck about justice when it was reported that has black sites around the city to torture minorities. They didn't care about justice in the case of Laquan McDonald. Now they want to get on the soap box and start preaching? They are only doing this because they fucking look like fools right now.
Exactly, and what these posters don't seem to realize is that looking at police brutality cases and saying "That's terrible" doesn't give you a fucking pass.

You made your comments and it's outta sight outta mind. But when it comes to Smollett, y'all fired up to see it Jussie get his comeuppance.

That's what we mean when we talk about y'all lacking the same energy for injustice cases involving minorities. Y'all can't even fucking respond to the claim without internet buzzwords.
 

Socivol

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That nonsense cost the city and police department over a hundred thousand dollars in investigations, dollars you say the city doesn't have to spare. So the Mayor is justified here
No, they asked for the money back which is the right thing to do and I'm sure they will get it. If you have this energy for 100k where is it for the 100 million that went down the drain due to police misconduct? The reaction doesn't justify the offense and once again, the real issues of the city aren't being addressed because the Mayor (who is on his way out the election is on Tuesday) spends his time on this versus serious systemic and quality of life issues that are prevalent here.
This energy is misplaced, specifically from a mayor that conspired with CPD to deny justice to the McDonald family. He and his righteousness can fuck right off.
 

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I don't think Jussie deserves jail time or anything of that nature. His willingness to accuse innocent people to keep up his story, and his willingness to sign his brother's name onto a court order while pretending to be his brother, shows that he probably has some issues going on. And I don't really think we should be championing him.

I do think that if it turns out to be explicitly true that he faked a hate crime and got away with it, we should not be celebrating that fact for a number of reasons. Doing that has the potential to cause real harm to actual victims.

But the media circus around this is completely ridiculous.
 

Greg NYC3

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This case caused a reaction out of a lot of different communities, and as the story has progressed and grown increasingly outrageous, I think we've seen a mostly proportionate amount of anger being directed at all parties involved (Jussie, CPD, Trump, MAGAts, etc). You've got members of every community fighting for their side and some are unwilling to admit any fault because it will make their side look bad. It's really a shit show no matter what happens and has done nothing but create more issues and things to talk about.
Yeah, we're all just a bunch of tribes now and it's sad. I think on a board like this the vast majority will agree that he deserves more punishment than what he's getting but I can understand the view that on light of the level of injustice going on in every facet of our society today Jussie is small potatoes.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I can't even be mad anymore if he did fake it.

By walking the dude exposed just how much more motivated white folks get when it's a black man who got away.
Everyone that is agreeing with this opinion is disgusting.

But not as disgusting as anyone who celebrates cops getting away with murder...which is apparently a qualification I need to add to the end of every one of my posts that is critical of anything.
 

Socivol

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Exactly, and what these posters don't seem to realize is that looking at police brutality cases and saying "That's terrible" doesn't give you a fucking pass.

You made your comments and it's outta sight outta mind. But when it comes to Smollett, y'all fired up to see it Jussie get his comeuppance.

That's what we mean when we talk about y'all lacking the same energy for injustice cases involving minorities. Y'all can't even fucking respond to the claim without internet buzzwords.
This! As a Chicagoan it's disgusting to see Rahm and CPD act like this as if Homan Square was never a thing, as if the McDonald tape was never a thing, as if many CPD officers have been charged (and convicted) of horrible, horrible crimes to PoC in this city. If this is how they want to act they need to KEEP THE SAME ENERGY when it comes to wrong doing from our city government and the CPD. Neither had anything to say about the obscene amounts of money the taxpayers here are footing for police misconduct, so they don't like like a 130k investigation is breaking the bank. 130k which they will probably get back at that.

That is my issue with all of this, where was this energy when things that were really detrimental to people in this city were happening? It was silence and that's why I'm so angry and offended by this showboating.
 

DigitalOp

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The police and the state’s attorney say they have evidence he’s guilty. The state’s attorney said they didn’t prosecute because they felt the $10k and community service he does is enough. Now many, including the Illinois state bar, have written describing why and how this arrangement is totally unusual.

Are you really not following any of this?
You keep trying to push this narrative but it is clear that CPD has nothing to do with the case being dismissed and they are not happy with the State's Attorney deciding to do so.
Well yes, that's exactly what seems to have happened. That's literally why so many people are pissed about this case right now.
I have been following the case but you seem to take the police as the word of God. Everything they report is 100% factual?

If that's you're issue, I'm still seeing everyone angry at Jussie rather than the States Attorney. Is Jussie suppose to lock his own self up?

The State Attorney made a decision. This board is all about "rehabilitation and forgiveness" but now Jussie needs jail. You all then try to say he's damaged Hate Crime Victims and that's just completely wrong entirely since you're so worried about what detractors think instead of listening to victims in the first place.

The Mayor and the CPD have a complete shit history, there is absolutely no reason to trust what they say. They jump up and down and throw a bitchfit when it doesn't go there way while they perpetrated heinous cover-ups and obstruction of justice on the citizens of Chicago.

You're all being taken for a ride

The leaked promo poster for Star Wars Episode IX thread has more posts than this one.

Why are people putting all that energy into that thread instead of Laquan McDonald?
Rich, you whine about WhAtAboUtISM and use completely off the wall comparison..

At the very least Smollett and McDonald are both topics about.... Ya know.... Criminal Justice.

Your blind ass is talking about Star Wars. You really must be Matt Murdock