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Breaking: North and South Korea will sign a peace treaty later this year
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I agree. Trump just did his stupid tweets, while China actually stopped exporting to NK and importing stuff from NK. I think thats a far bigger step to hurt NKs economy than writing at tweet about who has the bigger button.
Of course China has influence but if the stakes were not raised the Chinese wouldn't be able to pressure them as well. The embargo while it did nothing the current administration made this topic a front issue in public relations for the last year.
I think that making this a major world issue and the use of Brinkmanship did raise the bar. After Kennedy threatened MAD on the world in Cuba, detente did happen for awhile in that sense.
I don't think there should be unconditional peace with a country that butchers thousands of people in concentration camps. Is there a provision in this treaty that calls for UN inspection of known gulag sites? I don't expect a magic wand, but I don't really give a shit about gestures like this. What does the North Korean government expect to gain from this? Legitimization, continued existence? I know there's no way to depose them, but I'd hope that legitimization and participation in the global community is offered as a reward for not just denuclearization, but some signal of ending these camps and reforming their penal code. The human rights situation is the most tangible, real world consequence faced by people living today, not threats of hypothetical nuclear war.
They're ending a war with a 65 year old armistice. No one's been killed in this war for over half a century. Hundreds of thousands to millions of people have died in North Korea in that same period because of their government.
This is wild and good for Moon, but the rest of the world should not be happy until decent humanitarianism is established to save the populace of NK and the regime is tried for crimes against humanity while reunification happens.
I have a feeling that's still far away, sadly.
I have a feeling that's still far away, sadly.
All it took was their nuclear testing facility collapsing and removing all leverage NK had in the conflict!
You know, Mr. Kim Jung Un, besides running your country with an iron fist, forcing people to smile and worship you at all times, execute or assassinate any political foe, and threatening to send the world into WWIII...you ain't half bad.
I hope Dennis Rodman will be there to attend the signing of this peace treaty.
I hope Dennis Rodman will be there to attend the signing of this peace treaty.
Incredible news but why are people giving Trump credit for this? Have we forgotten that mere weeks ago he was insulting Kim Jong Un and virtually inciting nuclear war via Twitter?
It'll be a minor tragedy when this momentous, and for many, life-changing event is wrongly spun by the right-wing media as Trump's great achievement. This is too significant an event to be hijacked by that 'dotard'.
Holy shit, crazy news to wake up to!
Wait, is this true? Do you guys have a source for this?
Don't forget about the concentration camps.
Kim has a lot to answer for.
Wow, this is huge! This is definitely a turning point in history.
Trump wasn't part of this and anybody who thinks this happened because of him is plain stupid and dumb.
And this is an extremely important point. Things need to change in NK, and fast!
not something i thought i'd see anytime soon, pretty amazing....
also the trump praise is beyond me, i expect the tweets of him taking credit in an hour or so lol
im sure we supported and offered a stick at moments but its between the north and south. they've controlled the narrative since it started... its weird we have to always somehow insert ourselves for credit when theres not much credit to take. we also know how the state departments has been neutered under trump and how we've cut out influence in events overseas.
theres still a lot of play we have in the area that will be up to trump. it also looks like kim is going to get a big pass on a lot of crimes hes committed, one at least hopes this means better days for north koreans going forward but theres a lot of details here we dont even know (secret prisons/slave laboring/torture).
kim making peace with the south (and china) first also puts us in the awkward spot of being the potential aggressor still, making peace first is a good way to try and neutralize us to a degree before talks even started. we could make legit demands and end up looking like a spoiler.
also the trump praise is beyond me, i expect the tweets of him taking credit in an hour or so lol
im sure we supported and offered a stick at moments but its between the north and south. they've controlled the narrative since it started... its weird we have to always somehow insert ourselves for credit when theres not much credit to take. we also know how the state departments has been neutered under trump and how we've cut out influence in events overseas.
theres still a lot of play we have in the area that will be up to trump. it also looks like kim is going to get a big pass on a lot of crimes hes committed, one at least hopes this means better days for north koreans going forward but theres a lot of details here we dont even know (secret prisons/slave laboring/torture).
kim making peace with the south (and china) first also puts us in the awkward spot of being the potential aggressor still, making peace first is a good way to try and neutralize us to a degree before talks even started. we could make legit demands and end up looking like a spoiler.
Fantastic news to hear! Hopefully this also leads to the end of the gulags in North Korea and the eventual fall of the NK regime to go over to a open democracy.
Cue Trump taking credit in 3....2.....1.....
"i'm the one who collapsed their nuclear test site !"
- Trump, probably on today's fox & friends
Trump and his administration played a key part in getting North Korea to the table. Obama got his for doing nothing.
There's no harm to NK in signing it. It's a good PR move and they've already violated the armistice before lol
If anything Moon should for putting in the work.
I guess I can think this is good news for now. It's North Korea, so to me it's like the First Order signing peace papers.
Unless it includes open inspections, removal of all North Korean officials from power, including KJU, and a comprehensive plan to feed, build infrastructure, and undo propaganda then it's a pointless gesture that will do nothing but give KJU more breathing room to continue being a murderous dictator.
Man, never thought I would see this happen in my lifetime. Hopefully, KJU sticks to the deal and not back out over some utter nonsense in the coming months.
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I ain't sayin' that. I think it's worth nothing unless there are inspectations that ensure the closure of concentration camps. Otherwise it's a peace treaty that doesn't stop any killing, which is sort of a difficult peace treaty to care about.
of course! so aggressive he sent Mike Pompeo to Pyongyang. If this peace deal holds up your kids are going to read all about how Trump was a key factor in getting this deal done.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-43916858/kim-jong-un-crosses-korean-border-for-summit
This was lovely (and a little emotional) to see. Kim Jong-Un was an idiot but I have to give him credit for this. Let's hope this translates well over the next couple years.
This was lovely (and a little emotional) to see. Kim Jong-Un was an idiot but I have to give him credit for this. Let's hope this translates well over the next couple years.
of course! so aggressive he sent Mike Pompeo to Pyongyang. If this peace deal holds up your kids are going to read all about how Trump was a key factor in getting this deal done.
Nope.
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