I'm reading in the news that both koreas have agreed to rid peninsula of nuclear weapons. doesn't seem like a fail at this point but time will tell.
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Breaking: North and South Korea will sign a peace treaty later this year
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I'm reading in the news that both koreas have agreed to rid peninsula of nuclear weapons. doesn't seem like a fail at this point but time will tell.
Everybody involved deserves credit for this, including Trump. He's still an awful president but that doesn't negate his role in this.
I'll believe that when I see it. Hopefully it does happen.
As opposed to the Obama and Clinton administration's success?
Look, I dislike Trump too but this board's knee-jerk reflection that Trump had absolutely nothing to do with this is ludicrous.
And what of Obama's? The US is powerful but not even close to being omnipotent. Sooner we realize that the better off we'll be.
Whatever he did it worked and I'm pretty sure whatever was done was done behind closed doors
End of the day it's nice to see this happening.
End of the day it's nice to see this happening.
Clinton negotiated the initial deal that Bush broke off. That hamstrung Obama, but he was at least making some progress via the Iran deal framework. Had Obama and Kerry still been in office, an Iran type deal might have been negotiable with NK.
By the logic of your own posts this makes no sense. If NK was already beyond the point of no return on nuclear development why would they ever have agreed to an Iran-style deal?
So the country isnjust in shambles then? Im just trying to think of their poor people
The government murders and still has imprisoned a score of its citizens and Kim shakes hands as if its all over
They wont get justice, but hopefully the country gets the resources it needs
The government murders and still has imprisoned a score of its citizens and Kim shakes hands as if its all over
They wont get justice, but hopefully the country gets the resources it needs
If we give Obama credit for killing Bin Laden, then Trump deserves at least some credit for this.
As much as I wouldn't like to admit, tough talk from the executive branch seems to have at least played some part in the progress made today. That said, I have little indication Trump had any clear strategy when he was tweeting about North Korea earlier in the year. Based on my limited grasp on foreign affairs -- especially regarding Korea, I'd probably dole out credit for progress as follows: Moon, Xi, Trump, Kim.
As much as I wouldn't like to admit, tough talk from the executive branch seems to have at least played some part in the progress made today. That said, I have little indication Trump had any clear strategy when he was tweeting about North Korea earlier in the year. Based on my limited grasp on foreign affairs -- especially regarding Korea, I'd probably dole out credit for progress as follows: Moon, Xi, Trump, Kim.
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I don't like Trump, but I'll give credit where credit is due. Congratulations to all the parties involved. This is a huge step in the right direction.
This has been a good week in news.
This has been a good week in news.
For the same reason Iran did. Money. Even now, we're not sure they can mate the weapon to an actual missile.
And Trump didn't do jack shit to accomplish this except to possibly threaten a war over the issue. That doesn't do anything to solve the core issue regarding nukes. If and when that occurs, it will be because SK, US, Japan provide economic help or something, which is the original strategy I was articulating anyway.
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I would actually love to know what else is going down in NK besides the collapse of their nuclear testing site that might have pushed Kim further this time in the endless 30 year cycle of isolate, agitate, make demands, ask for aid, return to step 1. Usually this is the time they'd take their humanitarian aid and go home to throw some more families into death camps. Something big must have happened to push Kim to take it further, like being on the verge of full scale rebellion.
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It's also possible that Un doesn't give a shit about the hangups his father and grandfather had.
Yeah, this board I swear
Saw the majority of news articles claiming it was unstable or collapsed, still, I did put an "if" to hedge!
But even if it's just unstable and at risk of caving, Kim shutting it down as part of the negotiations to show "good will", so this new information puts a proper light on why they agreed to cease nuclear tests for now (because they don't want to risk a collapse and if they need to they can develop a new site if things break off)
Because this ends the isolation and opens up the country to the world under their terms.
They didn't have the bargaining chips to have talks, now they do.
I'm optimistic about all of this, but really, really cautious about it all too. I hope my skepticism is proven wrong, though.
I will only say this to those on ResetEra who are celebrating without any healthy criticism (minus the Trump people): You're jumping the biggest of guns.
Wait for the Trump-Kim summit. It will depend upon Trump and the US government, and if they're willing to try another process of denuking NK over a longer period of time, among other important details. The Trump admin have said they want immediate results instead, but Trump may change his mind otherwise this could fall off a cliff.
And I'm going to keep saying this over and over again: Their test site did not collapse. They're not giving up their nukes. They're not Libya and they're not stupid. They know an agreement means jack shit with the United States. The only way they truly denuke is if their security is guaranteed.
Wait for the Trump-Kim summit. It will depend upon Trump and the US government, and if they're willing to try another process of denuking NK over a longer period of time, among other important details. The Trump admin have said they want immediate results instead, but Trump may change his mind otherwise this could fall off a cliff.
And I'm going to keep saying this over and over again: Their test site did not collapse. They're not giving up their nukes. They're not Libya and they're not stupid. They know an agreement means jack shit with the United States. The only way they truly denuke is if their security is guaranteed.
He hasn't. I don't remember me giving credit to Obama for killing Bin Laden or receiving that Nobel Prize either. It's not hard.
Americans are patting themselves on the back while NK has achieved everything they wanted and are now setting themselves up in the position they worked towards in years, while people in NK continue to suffer.
He spoke loudly, and boasted about a bigger button. So he's the anti-Roosevelt in a way?
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Why did North Korea continue their ICBM testing while Trump was threatening strikes/war.
Explain how his threats brought NK to the table months after North Korea successfully tested an ICBM capable of hitting the US *while* Trump was threatening them?
That's the point I'm making, he didn't actually do much, just speak loudly, as in that's literally it, as far as I see.
This is probably the actual biggest contributor to this event
It is funny how we managed to push the Koreans fully out of the picture.
Trump is truly the logical conclusion of America.
I'm 99% sure my post wasn't a comment on that
Trump is truly the logical conclusion of America.
I'm 99% sure my post wasn't a comment on that
Trump's brinksmanship brought us very close to war. It may have succeeded in successfully scaring the shit out of NK and SK to the point that they were both willing to negotiate. However, Un has succeeded in developing a nuke. What he gets for removing them is completely up to him now- if he gets rid of them at all. Un won pretty much. He has all the options.
It's seems good news for South Korea and its people. But still, what will happen with North Korea's people and the humanitarian crimes committed by NK?
Color me skeptical considering the reports that NK's nuclear testing faculty partially collapsed. Could be a ruse still.
NOBEL PEACE PRIZE TO PRESIDENT XI WHENNNNNNN?????
(That's how the award works right?)
NOBEL PEACE PRIZE TO PRESIDENT XI WHENNNNNNN?????
(That's how the award works right?)
It's quite disgusting that some people here see this objectively fantastic news, and all they can think of is "what if it makes Trump look good". Get some fucking perspective.
Mods, why was my admiral ackbar admiring a twerk post removed? How was it inappropriate?
Explaining it kills the humor, but here it is:
It was meant to combine both "it's a trap" with something that on the surface looks off the charts pleasing.
Would enjoy being able to repost it here and/or get better explanation for the warning and post removal
Explaining it kills the humor, but here it is:
It was meant to combine both "it's a trap" with something that on the surface looks off the charts pleasing.
Would enjoy being able to repost it here and/or get better explanation for the warning and post removal
What about this is objectively fantastic? NK got into a position where they can afford to this with their nuclear program. They'll get sanctions lifted, their citizens will continue to be treated like shit, and they'll demand a seat at the table.
As to them getting rid of their nuclear weaponry, I'll believe it when I see it.
It seems like the North Korea News Stations did not cover the Summit at all:
https://twitter.com/i/moments/989750930026315776
https://twitter.com/i/moments/989750930026315776
Jesus christ you people scare way to easy
Because it's objectively the end goal to legitimizing a despotic regime via the use of nuclear proliferation.
Jesus H Christ, how do you get through life being so cynical? It doesn't make you cool, you know.
I think they first carefully edit the footage and then release it to public.
I don't think you understand that this was the entire point of developing the nuclear program for the last three decades. It wasn't just to sabor rattle, it was to eventually use it to legitimize their government due to having such powerful bargaining chips.
Most likely, can't risk having something embarrassing happening live.
So despite the treaty promising denuclearization, the fear here is that NK won't hold up their end of the bargain?
Regardless, despite the peace between two countries, I don't think I like this regime being legitimized.
Regardless, despite the peace between two countries, I don't think I like this regime being legitimized.
Because then I don't look dumb praising things just for the sake of it.
The only positive I see here is that South Koreans and Japanese citizens won't have to live under constant missile tests anymore.
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