Trump already tried the Iran Bamboozle with a half-twist Whataboutism
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Breaking: Oil tankers torpedoed in the Persian gulf.
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Trump already tried the Iran Bamboozle with a half-twist Whataboutism
It's a testament to how little credibility the administration has to many on the left. I tend to agree that this is more likely bullshit than an attempted attack from the Iranians, and it will take A LOT to convince me otherwise.
The US isn't trustworthy. That said, like it seems too hard for some to wait for facts.
Trump's entire campaign was anti interventionalism,people like Bolton may want war but he doesn't.
It's not even just the left. Plenty of people on the right are on that same page too.
"Lets have another military intervention in the Middle East" is not a winning issue with Democrats, Republicans, or Independents.
that too. i just think it's weird to zero in on one actor when there is no info out.
Might have to do with the US's history of faking shit to get into wars, and this adminstration's raging boner for going to war with Iran.
Would you agree it sounds like the work of the same idiots who decided to kill and butcher a Washington Post journalist in their own consulate? 🤔
Trump's campaign was a lot of things, I wouldn't put too much stock into his "promises".
Trump literally built his entire adminstration on lies and hand-waving facts. I don't think anyone really takes anything they say seriously, they just expect a certain level of action that makes them feel apprehensive.
For the left, even if Iran was responsible, Trump is gonna screw everything up and fuck us all.
For the right, they think Trump could handle the situation, but they don't want more war (so far).
For the left, even if Iran was responsible, Trump is gonna screw everything up and fuck us all.
For the right, they think Trump could handle the situation, but they don't want more war (so far).
Because the military industrial complex needs a reason to keep going.
It's tricky. There is definitely a strong contingent of his cult that are isolationist. When he bombed Syria they got very upset. Trump has set up his administration in a conflicting manner, he preaches a strong military and big guns, but isolationism. The two things are competing priorities and yet he doesn't seem to understand that.
He doesn't understand anything, I feel his rhetoric is very hawkish (rah rah military) but some of his attitudes are also very isolationist. In truth, he could go either way. I'm confident that there is some part of him that actually wants a war because he has juvenile fantasies about being a military leader.
With this discussion about Trump being isolationist, here's an interesting video from 3 weeks ago where he mentions "military industrial complex" and not wanting new wars. I'm surprised this video isn't more popular.
It starts around 4:21
It starts around 4:21
I just said it'd be dumb justification. Not that It would happen.
The most that'll probably happen is we'll eventually arm the "good guys" so they can try to overthrow the govt
This won't go over well in this thread (or it will just be ignored). Doesn't fit the anti-US narrative.
Because you guys are a war hungry blood thirsty pack of hounds of course the rest of us don't believe your bullshit anymore.
But hey, one rocket got shot at your ships where they shouldn't even be at. Time to invade and destroy another country because of one missile! Rah rah murricah!
One, how about letting the facts come out before assuming the US orchestrated this. Two, nobody has invaded Iran, so WTF are you on about?
I'm not in the loop on this and I'm not sure if this has already been discussed, but Iran, through their Houthi proxies, previously used drone boats to attack Saudi Arabian Yemen war coalition vessels and tankers.
What that looks like from a ship:
What that looks like from a ship:
Thanks for sharing. Maybe some can start peeling off the tin foil from their craniums.
The UK government is not a reliable source of information.
Here is the chain of events:
15 May – US raises threat level in Iraq over fears of Iran, pulls out all non-essential personnel
15 May – UK Foreign Office offers rare contradiction to the US, say there is no increased threat
16 May
Jeremy Hunt raises threat level on Iran
Jeremy Hunt @Jeremy_Hunt
.@SecPompeo and I discussed #Iran last week in London and again in Brussels on Monday. We share the same assessment of the heightened threat posed by Iran. As always we work closely with the US
7:20 AM - 16 May 2019
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7:20 AM - 16 May 2019
I'm not saying it was them but it wouldn't be weird under the circumstances.
Is the insurer of the ship reliable enough (allegedly)? How many have to say it was likely Iran before the conspiracy can die?
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It's not a counting game. Countries like the US and Saudi Arabia blamed Iran before anyone even knew what happened, and had their reports contradicted by neutral first parties. That you lap up such obvious motivated reasoning while calling everyone tinfoil hat wearers is unbecoming.
It seems pretty clear that the US knew what happened right away as they had a drone recording the situation. Just many didn't want to believe it it was Iran. Now that it seems clear that Iran likely was behind this, they are nowhere to be found.
If one is going to subscribe to conspiracy theories, at least come back and admit it was likely wrong when the evidence becomes public.
And yet despite apparently having blurry greyscale 5 fps "video evidence" that doesn't show anything, their report was contradicted by the people on the ground (or water, rather).
because Saudi Arabia has been ramping up for this making them highly suspect of setting this up
The IRGC loves to escalate shit on their own and no one in Iran can stop them so who knows what the fuck they think half the time. Rouhani is powerless and a joke.
That report doesn't mean that boat situation didn't happen. Some on the ship saw a projectile. It now seems that projectile may have come from an Iranian boat. That doesn't mean there weren't bombs attached also.
At the end of the day, I get people being skeptical when the US claims Iran did it. But now that the evidence is pointing heavily towards it likely being Iran, sticking with the conspiracy theory (I'm not saying you are) is now more absurd then it was yesterday.
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how does one in a Western Democracy validate any political leaning or logic for bowing down to the wishes of Saudi crown prince?
Why is the US and the UK deciding to bow to wishes of the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia for?
It's not that weird. Just because Trump has been an irrational actor toward them doesn't make the Iranian Guard rational. In fact, the opposite. It probably made them less rational.
there you go, all the proof you need..... Saudi Arabia is behind it
It would not be weird at all for them to do. The situation raises oil prices (though thankfully it was only marginally), shows they can disrupt the straight (which has been their threat), and they know the US isn't going to do anything about something this relatively minor.
Because not everyone is fan of nazi in chief and his EVIL plans. No one wants another war except white supremacist cunts.
The old 'blame Iran' game that literally no-one is buying. Listening to anything that that the US (or its close allies) has to say is ridiculous.
My favourite part about this particular scenario is that there's not even a logical narrative constructed for why Iran might carry out such an attack. It's so silly.
My favourite part about this particular scenario is that there's not even a logical narrative constructed for why Iran might carry out such an attack. It's so silly.
Yeah, I mean maybe Iran wants to be a pawn in world politics and die horribly. Maybe they're depressed? Ever think of that?
If at this point you aren't buying that it was likely Iran, then I don't know what you need to see.
I'm out of the loop. I thought the latest was that the owner of the Japanese tanker straight up says the Trump admin is sharing false information?
If at this point you aren't buying that it was likely Saudi Arabia, then I don't know what you need to see.