As do I, which is absolutely vital for a relative political newcomer like me. Needless to say, the links/posts by you and Stew have been quite helpful. :)
BREAKING: Robert Mueller has completed his Russia investigation (SEE STAFF POST)
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I actually wonder about this, I'm not so sure this statement is true or it's as blunt as you make it out to be.
I think a lot of people (the majority) blame the Russians for Trump's victory.
Well, the Trump Tower meeting happened. That, in itself, means they colluded. Attempted collusion is their only defense right now. So they need their guy to do whatever he can to justify saying as little as possible.
So, imagine I met with a hitman to talk about killing my wife. A month later, my wife is dead. OH, and it happened hours after I went on TV and said "Hitman, if you're listening, please kill my wife." If I were to say "yes, I met the hitman to discuss killing my wife, but we couldn't reach a deal," what good is that as a defense? It's ridiculous.
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The issue is that they clearly helped Trump in the election. But the whole "democrats want to blame Russia for Trump!" is a Fox News talking point. A strawman to paint liberals as ridiculous and hyperbolic.
Is there literally any evidence supporting this view? Like of course we need to see the full report, but why are people equating Barr with sycophants like Nunes?
Could Barr literally receive cold, hard proof that Trump is a criminal, a traitor, a puppet of Russia, and just write a report that says Trump is entirely innocent, and there is nothing to see here?
Other people will get to see Mueller's report, right? What worries me is that if Russia IS behind all this, then they will have thought of everything, and Barr will just do his traitorous duties.
Other people will get to see Mueller's report, right? What worries me is that if Russia IS behind all this, then they will have thought of everything, and Barr will just do his traitorous duties.
That is the case for expecting that republicans -- voters and politicians alike -- will do the right thing, but as a means of informing people who are undecided, that still remains to be seen. I say this mainly because of how vested republicans are on both siding each and every issue they possibly can.
... Do you know anything about Barr?
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/us/politics/william-barr-bio-facts-history.html
Blaming the Russians in absence of Republican agency/complicity in this matter is what folks do who wish to cling to the normalcy of American democracy still being a functioning apparatus. It affords the Republicans a safety net of non-culpability and allows someone the ability to rationalize voting for them again in the future presuming they did nothing wrong in 2016 even if they don't necessarily like Trump now. That's a problem.
If you have information regarding his credibility beyond simply who appointed him, I am legitimately interested in hearing it.
Trump admitted on national TV and twitter that he fired Jeff Sessions because he recused himself from the russia investigation, and thus couldn't protect him. Trump then put in an acting AG who went on Fox News to criticize the mueller probe as a witch hunt and explained how he would cripple the investigation from behind the scenes, then they replaced him with Barr who also criticized the mueller investigation on national television.
Barr also recommended pardons for everyone involved in the Iran-Contra scandal, and he went against DOJ ethics advice to recuse himself from the investigation.
why not? "we'll try to release top line conclusions as soon as this weekend" has been the line since the report was delivered and they couldn't get it done yesterday.
And on top of this question, ask yourself if Trump ever would've appointed him if he was squeaky clean.
Barr thinks the Mueller investigation is bullshit and believes in basically unlimited power in the executive branch.
"The Constitution, according to Mr. Barr’s interpretation, does not consider it a crime for the president to wield his executive powers corruptly, for instance by firing a subordinate or by pardoning a loyal aide. It is an interpretation favorable to Mr. Trump."
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/22/us/politics/william-barr-bio-facts-history.html
He is not credible and will absolutely lie about what the report contains. That's why Trump picked him.
No, but he is a Trump appointee who volunteered from private practice with a memo shitting all over the investigation, appointed to fill a position that was vacant because the last person to have the job wouldn't unrecuse himself. Which isn't even a thing. But yeah, these people have lost all benefit of the doubt.
That being said, I find it hard to believe that he could sink this under the eyes of Mueller and Rosenstein when he's said that he's consulting both of them on the release.
His lack of credibility does not give us insight into what the report actually contains. He could be hiding shit, he could have hampered the investigation or it could be that Mueller did not find anything beyond what he has already handed off to other prosecutors. Barr saying tonight that there is no proof of collusion or whatever, does not mean that anything nefarious happened.
He might be implicated in parts of it.
Regarding foreign influence in the US government and Portugal for instance.
I don't trust him, and he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. Whatever he says is suspect.
“No collusion, no crimes, very legal and very cool. We might as well burn the report before anyone in public sees it.”
That makes sense. GOP trying to bury it obviously is because it will be politically damaging when it comes out. And not 'if,' but when. All they can do is try to make this non-partisan document seem like it was made by Democrats and Trump enemies.
But you cannot invent what you think the report says. You can mistrust him and assume that there are other things in there, but the things you assume are just your projection of the events.
I have no idea what the report says, that's why I said the entire thing should be leaked without people like Barr feeding us his reading of it. Let us read it for ourselves.
Somewhere out there a photographer is cursing the everloving bejeezus out of a tree.
Can’t the House Dems preemptively subpoena the Mueller Report (and Mueller himself) so that Barr knows that there’s no use in hiding shit?
He looks like he aged a lot in the last year and a half lol. He's probably happy as fuck to be done, even if the shitstorm hasn't started yet
No matter the outcome, he should be proud. He was the man who set out to find the truth, he’s an American patriot, better than any politician in the government.
Even if the results don’t give the favorable reactions, he did an amazing job, especially under constant attacks by the president and thE GOP.
If the report clears the president then they should have someone with credibility delivering the report, or releasing the entire report to the public.
Yeah, that could definitely be a historic photo, especially in the context of Barr selectively choosing what part of the report gets released.
Barr is also best friends with Mueller. Mueller went to both of Barr’s daughters weddings and their wives go to Bible study together.
It's pure fantasy, but imagine if Barr went in to his AG job thinking "Right, I'll talk shit that Trump likes, and if the dude is innocent, then fine, but I've agreed with Mueller that if he's dirty, I'm taking this fucker down."
If only..... If only.....
I wonder what's going through his mind right now? Must be sobering to utterly devote yourself to an important task for 2 years and suddenly be finished with it.
This entire ordeal has been one for the history books. Going all the way back to the bizarre public firing of the director of the FBI, to Comey testifying before congress, the formation of the special counsel, then the endless speculation and occasional indictment, Cohen's testimony. It is a political drama on the scale that our generation has never seen. Obama spoiled us.
There is no official time. It's merely "expected" today, meaning it could even be tomorrow, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc.
Its a bit disappointing he won't be the one to tell us about his findings.
by 5pm today, according to The Hill
https://thehill.com/policy/national...y-evening-briefing-on-mueller-report-findings
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