1. Ishaan

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    I felt this was worth its own thread, since so many of these "micro-discussions" get lost amidst all the other conversations in Media Create threads: The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild is officially the second-highest-selling Zelda game in its domestic market of Japan since Ocarina of Time (1998).

    To rephrase: it has outsold every other Zelda game that has been released in the past 18 years.

    Here are the facts:
    • As of last week, the game has sold 957,752 units in Japan at retail
    • This figure only accounts for retail sales, so the number is even higher when accounting for digital sales
    • This figure also does not represent the latest sales figures for the Wii U version
    • Ocarina of Time has sold approximately 1.25 million units in Japan
    • The previous second-highest-selling Zelda was Phantom Hourglass (2007) at 907,821 units sold

    How we got to this point:

    At the risk of a little self-promotion, I'd like to highlight an article I recently wrote on the subject of Breath of the Wild's sales in Japan. You can find it here: Zelda: Breath of the Wild is Beating All Expectations in Japan

    A forum post isn't really conducive to lengthier write-ups, but the article goes into fair detail about the development philosophy behind Skyward Sword, how that hurt the Zelda brand, and what corrective steps Nintendo took to rectify the situation. It also discusses the success of other open-world games in Japan such as GTA, pointing out that this sort of success isn't necessarily unheard of.

    I want to keep highlighting more interesting Zelda stuff in the future this way. I actually maintain an enormous spreadsheet that basically tracks the development history of the entire series dating back to the early games using interviews with various development staff. It's a project that took me more than a year to compile and it's been incredibly educational.

    If anybody would like to see the actual sheet itself, I'd be more than happy to share. In fact, I think it would give Zelda fans in here tons of material to create their own threads with (wait until you see some of the Miyamoto quotes over the years, heh), and help accurately inform people in the process as well.
     
  2. Spork4000

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    Does the ocarina of Time number include remakes/re-releases?
     
  3. Yerffej

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    Recently came back to it and am enjoying it more than ever. Can't wait to see how they expand on this new formula.
     
  4. Ishaan

    Ishaan
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    Nope! We're only counting the original SKU. Remakes count as a different SKU entirely, and reliable data for re-releases (such as Virtual Console) isn't available.
     
  5. Ventara

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    Nice! BotW 2 when?

    Skyward Sword and Link Between Worlds need more love, though.
     
  6. Zedark

    Zedark
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    And it will be selling for a long while still, looking at how these last weeks are playing out. Amazing sales for an amazing title!
     
  7. K Samedi

    K Samedi
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    I think it will continue selling for a long time. Surpassing Ocarina of Time is not out of reach, especially if you count the combined WiiU and Switch sales.
     
  8. It's gonna reach 10m world wide on switch alone probs, wich is quite insane really for a zelda game.
     
  9. skittzo0413

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    With digital it will definitely outsell OoT too. Great performance in Japan, and worldwide too.
     
  10. My guess is that 2d Zelda is next in thr pipeline. But is a guarantee (by Aonuma) that the next 3d one is going for BoTW style.
     
  11. Conor419

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    100% happening, it'll be 2019/2020.
     
  12. Hell, selling as much as the NES Zelda may be possible.
     
  13. Branduil

    Branduil
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    Watch out Hero of Time the Wild Boy is coming for you.

    It's only a matter of time before the game passes OoT this year. The really interesting thing will be the marathon to reach original LoZ numbers. Not an easy goal, but BotW has a ton of time to do it.
     
  14. Vault

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    That Ocarina of Time number is really impressive considering how poorly the N64 sold there

    Minish cap was fucking robbed its 10x better then Phantom hourglass
     
  15. Nabbit

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    I don't think we can say this with any certainty. The only 3D Zelda sequel we have seen is Majora's Mask, and that was so significantly different from OOT that it may as well not have been a sequel in terms of gameplay and world. (That's no knock on the game, it's one of my faves.) Given Nintendo's frequently stated wish (and Aonuma's, if I recall correctly) to make each new entry significantly fresh and unique, I think (and personally hope) the next game will be at least aesthetically and world-wise very different, and very possibly not a direct sequel to BOTW.
     
  16. Woof at Skyward Sword crashing after the first week

    (somewhat deserved, game would not have gotten good word of mouth)
     
  17. jariw

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    Of the games with "first week" numbers, it seems like the legs of BotW is already proportionally longer than for all the other titles, except Twilight Princess. At what numbers will BotW surpass Twilight Pricess' legs/firstweek ratio?
     
  18. Napalm_Frank

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    Grats, well deserved.

    Tho those Phantom Hourglass sales make me wanna puke!
     
  19. Thornquist

    Thornquist
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    Deserved. Its the first game in 20 years that actually focused on the essential Zelda experience: Adventuring and exploring.
     
  20. Astandahl

    Astandahl
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    Well deserved.
     
  21. Conor419

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    Nintendo tend to do direct sequels when the big ones do well.

    Galaxy 1/2
    OOT/MM
    Metroid Prime 1–3
    Super Mario World 1/2

    There's deff gonna be a BOTW2.

    The only glaring omission is Super Metroid imo
     
  22. Branduil

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    Well, just like TP, BotW is one of the only Zeldas to launch with a system(while also releasing on the previous gen system). However, the Switch looks to be far more popular than the Wii in Japan, and along with the game's popular reception, it makes sense that it would have longer legs.
     
  23. Lets hope it does not take another 6 years.
    Re use the engine if they must or get a second team, 5-6 years is way too long.

    A main game every 2.5 or 3 years would be ace with spinoffs or oldskool like games inbetween.
     
  24. foxxsoxx

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    Oof I don't ever pay attention to Japan sales but I thought Zelda would have sold much better there.
     
  25. Herb Alpert

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    I'm happy that the risks they took paid off so much !
    This game is important for Nintendo's future and I hope they'll learn the right lessons from its results.
     
  26. DannyClash

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    Interesting conclusion to arrive at

    1mil is a lot for the Japanese market
     
  27. skittzo0413

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    In general Zelda is more popular in the west than in Japan.
     
  28. Nabbit

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    I see your point, but there are so many other massively successful games you left off that did not get direct sequels. But, if you consider OOT/MM and SMW the kind of direct sequel situation we could see with BOTW, where the aesthetic and world are significantly different (and potentially, the gameplay), then I think it is not as unlikely, though I don't necessarily expect a BOTW2 kind of title/premise, as the only Zelda games like that while featuring the same game world is significantly different in gameplay (LTTP2), and I guess my overall point is more just that I don't foresee a sequel using the same world as I think that would be a massive disappointment to fans in many scenarios.
     
  29. StormEagle

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    The DS games sold way better than Link Between Worlds... Japanese Market has horrible taste. So we should not put too much weight to their sales.
    But I am pretty sure Breath of The Wild will surpass Ocarina of Time. It is not even a year old and the Switch is still building its base.
     
  30. Dwebble

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    Ocarina won't stand against it when all is said and done, either. The original is the only one that might have higher sales- and I do mean might.

    Worldwide's not an argument- BOTW will be the highest-selling Zelda, and by no small margin.
     
  31. Why would you think that. Zelda’s a western oriented franchise through and through.
     
  32. Gotdatmoney

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    The last FF game released in Japan barely crossed 1m. It's not an easy market to break 1m units.
     
  33. Conor419

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    Like what though? TP is the only one i can think of from those three franchises, but that game already very directly ties in with OOT & MM.
     
  34. Kromeo

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    More interesting is that the awful Phantom Hourglass sold so well
     
  35. Bulby

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    Wow, the main console releases were in quite a dramatic decline until BOTW.
     
  36. wrowa

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    When people talk about a potential BotW2 they usually aren't referring to a straight sequel that re-uses its world, but to a game that directly builds up on its tech and assets. Similar to Galaxy/Galaxy 2 and OoT/MM.

    I definitely see it happening, in any case. Switch just launched, so the Zelda team's next game will definitely still target the platform. At the same time, they'll surely want avoid another 5 year development cycle, because it would put the next Zelda once again in the awkward transition period between consoles.
     
  37. Noppie

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    I remember someone from Nintendo, possibly Aonuma, mentioning that they're looking into ways to reuse assets/systems/engine from BotW to reduce development time and not having to start from stretch again. I'd say the chances of a new 3D-Zelda in 2020/2021 are extremely likely.
     
  38. Aostia82

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    Yes, I would never had imagined that
     
  39. foxxsoxx

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    Because I don't pay attention to the Japanese market?

    I thought I made this pretty clear.

     
  40. Peltz

    Peltz
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    All of the success is totally deserved. It’s Nintendo’s greatest achievement.
     
  41. Boiled Goose

    Boiled Goose
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    Deserved.

    Series finally returned to fundamentally good game design.
     
  42. wrowa

    wrowa
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    It was at the right place at the right time.
     
  43. Was that talking about Zelda though? IIRC Nintendo shares (parts of) their engines across titles, with Zelda and Xenoblade teams working together on assets. I could also imagine other franchises getting the open world treatment hereafter. (though I'm not sure necessarily which one outside of Metroid)
     
  44. Thornquist

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    Please be Pokemon.
     
  45. Noppie

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    I'm not sure, I'm having trouble finding the original quote. I read it in the context of the next Zelda, but it could be that they meant what you're saying.

    EDIT: You are correct, the quote didn't specificially mention Zelda or it's engine and was talking more in the broad sense of things. My bad.
     
  46. Chronospherics

    Chronospherics
    Games User Researcher at Player Research Verafied

    Is that not simply in line with the Switch's early popularity?
     
  47. Ishaan

    Ishaan
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    The article linked in the post goes into a lot of the different factors at play. It also talks about why Nintendo have been reluctant to create a game like Breath of the Wild until now.
     
  48. Celine

    Celine
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    No.
    It is outperforming Twilight Princess (Wii+GC) and Phantom Hourglass (DS) both released when Wii and DS were booming in Japan.
    It's not just related to hardware popularity, seems japanese gamers are attracted by the new formula.
     
  49. Falchion

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    So close to a million units.
     
  50. Chronospherics

    Chronospherics
    Games User Researcher at Player Research Verafied

    Interesting.

    I feel as though the overall media attention that resulted from its critical acclaim is a potential overlooked factor too. I also think the article downplays the involvement of the Switch. Describing the Switch as 'something inbetween a handheld and a console' is doing the system a disservice, as it's clear that many consumers see the system as fulfilling both roles competently. Effectively generating a larger audience than either handheld, or home console would have alone.