how many times, brexiter labour mps labour is whipping against this dealIf the Labour politicians really are that dumb it really is best to get this shit over now as soon as possible, we're not going to survive anything in the actual negotiations or the next several years. I don't understand why Labour don't want to be elected how the fuck are they this dumb.
To be fair, overall it's a very small number of Labour MPs thinking about voting for the deal. The vast majority of the votes going against the deal are from Labour MPs. It's just that with the numbers so tight, a small number of rebel MPs can make all the difference.If the Labour politicians really are that dumb it really is best to get this shit over now as soon as possible, we're not going to survive anything in the actual negotiations or the next several years. I don't understand why Labour don't want to be elected how the fuck are they this dumb.
It's leaver MPs using this lie to do what they wanted to do anyway. They are banking on people being ignorant and the media not challenging them.I'm confused, BoJo can say all this applies to this parliament but come a new election, new parliament it's all meaningless and some Labour MPs will vote this Brexit deal through based on that?
It's leaver MPs using this lie to do what they wanted to do anyway. They are banking on people being ignorant and the media not challenging them.
Aye, no doubt true. I hope this holds no water with their local parties, this is a deselection issue now.That and I suspect they're trying to build the image where they can say they ~compromised~ and 'achieved' something, unlike stodgy old Corbyn, even if it's the political equivalent of buying a bridge.
It's still close but enough labour MPs seem willing to throw away their career for it.
It's called the British Empire. As Jez from Peep Show would say we did a bad thingYou know what, maybe we deserve this.
I don't know what we did that could possibly be bad enough to deserve it... but it must have been a fucking doozy.
/head in hands
Everything is a bit up in the air at the moment. Crucially, there is the Letwin amendment which could play a huge role:Sorry, Brexit fatigued here, is it this deal or a no deal? Isn't the deadline to get a deal before a no deal takes effect 31st Oct? What other options are available? Seems dire.
Can the Brexit deal and the Letwin amendment both pass? And if so, what happens?Everything is a bit up in the air at the moment. Crucially, there is the Letwin amendment which could play a huge role:
All sorts of outcomes are still possible.
Can the Brexit deal and the Letwin amendment both pass? And if so, what happens?
What?The amendment effectively becomes the what is finally voted on if it passed.
Gosh I hope the DUP come tomorrow and call this the Surrender Agreement before having Ian Paisley Jr bellow NOOOOO SURRENDERRRRRR to their fellow conservatives.
That'll pull the Tories out of it and kneecap Boris entirely. It's the only play for DUP.
Thanks, I'm a bit clearer, still headache inducing stuff.Everything is a bit up in the air at the moment. Crucially, there is the Letwin amendment which could play a huge role:
All sorts of outcomes are still possible.
I'm not even going to attempt to keep up with things tomorrow. I'll just wait for Sunday I think for the sake of my own sanity.
You know what, maybe we deserve this.
I don't know what we did that could possibly be bad enough to deserve it... but it must have been a fucking doozy.
/head in hands
Yeah, the Benn Act would trigger (the deadline for a deal is today now that it's Saturday, lol) so Boris would have to request the Article 50 extension as detailed in that Act. Then there would be amendments too before the withdrawal agreement is finally approved - perhaps an amendment seeking a referendum on the withdrawal agreement for instance?The Letwin looks to have thrown a huge spanner in the works in regards to how serious the main vote is tomorrow. Well it's still serious, but the finality of it seems to have been reduced if all the necessary legislation then needs to go through both Houses/request an extension for that to happen?
I left the UK in 2011 and I feel the same way. I think we are spared from much of the pro-brexit media that appears to be prevalent in the UK. Literally everyone here in Aus is like "WTF are your lot doing leaving the EU?", no one thinks it's a good idea.I didn't think this shit show could possibly get worse but here we are. This worries the hell out of me and I left England years ago, can't imagine how you lot are feeling.
Stay strong UK Era
It's possible. The DUP aren't going to be swayed by money, with the UDA/UVF getting involved the DUP will be more concerned with not pissing them off.Edit: just thinking, if Letwin amendment passes, withdrawal agreement gets the votes it needs, confirmatory referendum amendment put forward, DUP ordered by loyalist groups to stop the withdrawal agreement to 'preserve the union', do DUP now put their votes in favour of a referendum and campaign against the withdrawal agreement?
Yeah, the Benn Act would trigger (the deadline for a deal is today now that it's Saturday, lol) so Boris would have to request the Article 50 extension as detailed in that Act. Then there would be amendments too before the withdrawal agreement is finally approved - perhaps an amendment seeking a referendum on the withdrawal agreement for instance?
(just a fool's hope?)
They'd better bloody vote in favour of the Letwin amendment though!
Edit: just thinking, if Letwin amendment passes, withdrawal agreement gets the votes it needs, confirmatory referendum amendment put forward, DUP ordered by loyalist groups to stop the withdrawal agreement to 'preserve the union', do DUP now put their votes in favour of a referendum and campaign against the withdrawal agreement?
This whole business is mad. Imagine a soothsayer telling you all this in 2015.Saved by the DUP, what a strange turn up for the books, i can't be going mad, I don't think.
I thought tomorrow would be a beer day, but it's gonna be a straight whisky day.
They love Halo.
Because the media will fall over themselves to call right wing twats whatever lame vaguely romantic names they come up with for themselves.