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Brexit: Leaked cabinet note admits UK not ready for no-deal exit on October 31, blowing hole in Boris Johnson leadership pledge
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You do know what is going on in the USA right now? I mean, a no-deal would be undeniably bad, but are we having basic human rights withdrawn as is happening state by state out there?
The difference is the temporary nature of the USA's current status, you have 1-5 years left of Trump. A no-deal Brexit would have repercussions that would last for decades. Start with a brain drain, as those who can, get the hell out. Add an emboldened right wing high on owning the lefties. Mix in a return to casual racism and an intolerance for Europeans. Massive increases in poverty, drops in funding for the NHS and support services. Huge increases in wealth inequality. A move to US style healthcare but no one with any money to pay for it. It's a dark time in the USA, but you will see a dawn. The same can't be said about the UK in the case of a no deal Brexit.
We don't need a cabinet note to tell us this. Anyone who has been paying attention to this slow moving car crash for the last few years knows that "No Deal" has always been an impossible scenario (assuming you don't want to turn the UK into a disaster zone). It certainly wouldn't take 4-5 months to prepare for it - it would take years, at the very least. There isn't even a concrete idea about what you'd do for goods moving over the border, so the idea that you could have people registered on 'schemes' that haven't been thought up in the next few months is worse than a joke, it's dangerous.
A Londoner expat friend here in the States goes into laughing fits when people invariably ask her why she doesn't return to England because we have Trump.
She thinks the States has a chance to enventually turn things around and that the UK does not.
She thinks the States has a chance to enventually turn things around and that the UK does not.
Boris legitimately doesn't care. He's absolutely famous for acting without considering the consequences- he'd take us out without a deal without a second's consideration for what follows.
If and when he gets in, a vote of no confidence is the only way to avoid no deal, and I simply do not believe enough Tories will have enough of a conscience to make that happen.
If and when he gets in, a vote of no confidence is the only way to avoid no deal, and I simply do not believe enough Tories will have enough of a conscience to make that happen.
You'd be surprised, national or at least localised stocks fluctuate a fair amount. The average idiotic no dealer has no clue how bad it will most likely get, but if anyone is supporting Boris then we are truly fucked as a nation
To quote Fat Mike "majority rule don't work in mental institutions" - this is the reality of the UK right now
In fact the whole song feels pretty on the money
Not quite a riot but a million people turning up for a protest in a country of about 60 million is a hell of a showing:
People give a shit. It's just not politically advantageous to acknowledge it on the right wing
One of the rallying cries for the leave side was the "Human Rights Act" that was "forced on us by the EU".
For a start, that's not quite how it works (it was based on the ECHR, which predates the EU by a few decades), and even then the legislation was written by Brits, based on the ECHR that was largely written by ... Brits.
But one of the big things was getting rid of this and doing a new "British Human Rights Act". And fuck knows what that will contain, if anything.
Feels like at some point it changed from a dumpster fire and became more like an ecstasy of ritual flame. Folk gladly throwing things on the fire hoping some other outcome other than being burned alive will happen.
Mogg has been everywhere this morning and not one interviewer has really pushed him on this (or even mentioned it).
Mogg also just admitted that is no deal or the end of the conservative party. This whole thing is coming down to Tories trying to save themselves over the good of the country
Mogg also just admitted that is no deal or the end of the conservative party. This whole thing is coming down to Tories trying to save themselves over the good of the country
Yes. There are people who have now based their entire personalities off it. They don't understand it, they don't care about what else the government does for them - they just want Brexit.
I'm still yet to hear a solid interpretation of how it will work, what it actually means, or what the consequences are (from a leave perspective). It's all empty rhetoric regurgitated from news papers and right wing talking heads.
You just ask "why?" and "how?" and there's just nothing behind it
Riots if Brexit goes ahead and riots if Brexit ends up cancelled. Shit times ahead.
They were promised rivers of honey and not everyone is capable of identifying when someone is being manipulative for personal gain (or Boris would never have gotten so far in his career...)
At the EU elections, my polling station was in a church and the guy in front of me said something along the lines of maybe he'll pray we get out of the EU as soon as possible while he was there. He uh, definitely wasn't giving me the opinion he was in a position to benefit from leaving himself though.
Something something something will of the people.
Something something something brexit means brexit.
Something something something brexit means brexit.
Brexit means Brexit damnit!!
On a serious note though if we no deal there is no recourse to undo it and BoJo knows this as he was slapped down be May over the idea.
On a serious note though if we no deal there is no recourse to undo it and BoJo knows this as he was slapped down be May over the idea.
All I can say to this is:
Hail Eris!
Oh god... this is deeply depressing in its accuracy.
Hail Eris!
Feels like at some point it changed from a dumpster fire and became more like an ecstasy of ritual flame. Folk gladly throwing things on the fire hoping some other outcome other than being burned alive will happen.
Oh god... this is deeply depressing in its accuracy.
No shit we aren't ready. It would be such chaos that it wouldn't really matter how long we had to prepare or how many billions we spent.
I know the tories for no deal are banking on that chaos so they can rapidly alter the state, tax rates and have a bonfire of rights.
I know the tories for no deal are banking on that chaos so they can rapidly alter the state, tax rates and have a bonfire of rights.
FFS. I just know that the hardliner Brexit supporters will call this "project fear" and claim it's fake to scare us out of leaving without a deal.
We're fucked
We're fucked
At this point it's best for everyone to just prepare for No Deal as best they can. Still try and get another alternative but there's no will in either the government or millions of braindead idiots to avoid anything but a crashing out.
All I can hope is that future generations never forgive those who caused Brexit.
All I can hope is that future generations never forgive those who caused Brexit.
The shitty US states want to revert themselves back to colonial era is not worse than the Tories/England/Wales dragging Scotland and NI to the no-deal shit hole.
That has been a result of austerity rather than Brexit but I'll admit it is not going to get better if we crash out.
I've reconsidered - we are boned (I'd still rather live here than the US though! Once the NHS is dismantled I might reconsider again though)
Some would argue Austerity is what caused Brext too, I tend to partially agree.
Yet somehow the UK can't seem to realise that both of these were brought to them by the same party they're voting in, despite them repeatedly campaigning on it.
"we have delivered on the primary request of the people; the one big thing they have asked us to do"
I do wish the government would stop saying this. Only around 1/3 of voters actively asked for Brexit - the other 2/3s either voted against it or didn't vote. Every time they use this 'will of people' crap it completely ignores a massive proportion of the UK voting population.
I do wish the government would stop saying this. Only around 1/3 of voters actively asked for Brexit - the other 2/3s either voted against it or didn't vote. Every time they use this 'will of people' crap it completely ignores a massive proportion of the UK voting population.
That's because it's what they want. The Tories in the UK are the same as Republicans in the US. They're shitting all over democracy because it's the only way to actualise their endgame. It's fucked. We're heading into dark times.
What's funny is it will be the same people rioting. Such is the madness of their position.