BREXIT MAFIA PHASE 2 | Border-Line Insanity!

Deleted member 19365 · Dec 7, 2018

unvote

Numbers:
(without neutral)
10 players, probably 2 scum, 8 town
assuming mislynches and nk

D8: 2 - 6
D9: 2 - 4 (mylo)

We have two lynches left before we hit mylo.

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(with neutral)
10, 2 scum, 1 neutral, 7 town
D8: 2-1-5
D9: 2-1-3
Neutral could side with scum to force a tie. Only one lynch before lylo.

I don't know. 21 players, 5 scum and 3 potential neutrals? Is it too much? Grizzly could recruit.

The first scenario is more realistic. maybe. who knows.

melonrabbit · Dec 7, 2018

Gorlak said:
can't wrap my head around melon's role and how it would fit the balance

Deleted member 19365 · Dec 7, 2018

If we have at least one lynch before we hit lylo, I think we can still let our PRs loose. We should lynch outside of them again.

Deleted member 19365 · Dec 7, 2018

EzekelRAGE said:
@Gorlak why wouldn't melon use her power every night?

Limitations.

DCPat · Dec 7, 2018

Goodmorning!

Happy Birthday Gorlak and welcome Brazil. I'm doing pretty fine, how about yourself?

malus said:
When I realized I wouldn't be able to read everything I just quickly typed the post in which I probably should have unvoted as well. Though I'm not sure it would have made a difference at all. After now reading everything I believe I would have stuck to nin anyway.

Why did you feel the need to unvote? Why was your vote on nin?

melonrabbit · Dec 7, 2018

Good idea.

Can we lynch Brazil? On principle?

(hi, b.)

EzekelRAGE · Dec 7, 2018

Gorlak said:
Limitations.

As in x shot?

Deleted member 19365 · Dec 7, 2018

EzekelRAGE, Gorlak, Alexem, Brazil (gir), malus, DCPat, Z-Beat

Out of these I would prefer to lynch between malus and DCPat today.

Deleted member 19365 · Dec 7, 2018

if we take claims at face value:
Z-Beat has been blocked N5 by melon - no power was handed to her
Z-Beat has been tracked N6 by AB - no movement

melonrabbit - would you get the scum kill power?
absolutbro - why z-beat?

EzekelRAGE · Dec 7, 2018

Well gonna go head and post my thoughts on melon/swamped especially with melon targeting herself.

Swamped is a protective role. Melon stole the power. With that theory in mind, why would melon protect herself last night over swamped? If melon dies we have confirmed swamped town.

Melon knows lp blocked cs n1. Knows what swamped claimed in chat. No kills last night and says she protected herself to make it look like she was targeted.

If swamped isn't protective role, theory is wrong.

melonrabbit · Dec 7, 2018

Gorlak said:
@melonrabbit - would you get the scum kill power?

I literally just answered that. I would assume so, yes.

Deleted member 19365 · Dec 7, 2018

melonrabbit said:
I literally just answered that. I would assume so, yes.

Okay. Let's assume I believe you and your claim. Where do we go from here? You trust swamped and think AB is town? Who is most likely to be scum and why?

melonrabbit · Dec 7, 2018

Gorlak said:
Okay. Let's assume I believe you and your claim. Where do we go from here? You trust swamped and think AB is town? Who is most likely to be scum and why?

Hard to know. I'm feeling a bit lost.

Nin seemed so likely and yet here we are. I'm still not 100% on Zeke but looking beyond that for a moment...

I joked but gir was fairly in the middle and careful not to make too many waves. Maybe Chuggs was right about DC?

EzekelRAGE · Dec 7, 2018

melonrabbit why did you leave your vote on me?

Also why did you vanish eod?( I ask this because you scumread me for not being active 20 minutes b4 the day ended)

DCPat · Dec 7, 2018

EzekelRAGE said:
All nin voters, explain your votes

I thought he was scum. How about you? Why did you vote him? Only for the hammer? You didn't get it this time.

Gorlak wants to lynch outside of the claimed PR. You don't. What do you think of that?

melonrabbit · Dec 7, 2018

Have you let go of your theory that Zeke is the chat creator, Gorlak?

Are you voting for me again today EzekelRAGE?

EzekelRAGE · Dec 7, 2018

Gorlak you explained swamped being in your towncore.

What about gir/brazil?

EzekelRAGE · Dec 7, 2018

melonrabbit said:
Have you let go of your theory that Zeke is the chat creator, Gorlak?

Are you voting for me again today EzekelRAGE?

What do you what to know if I'm voting for you?

melonrabbit · Dec 7, 2018

EzekelRAGE said:
melonrabbit why did you leave your vote on me?

Also why did you vanish eod?( I ask this because you scumread me for not being active 20 minutes b4 the day ended)

I got busy. I would've switched to nin had I the time.

Deleted member 19365 · Dec 7, 2018

EzekelRAGE said:
What about gir/brazil?

I have multiple posts about that yesterday, I think Alexem and Malus also came in and agreed/pointed out more arguments for gir probably being town.

melonrabbit · Dec 7, 2018

EzekelRAGE said:
What do you what to know if I'm voting for you?

Just curious.

You didn't jump on when Gor did. You've wanted this for days.

Guess I'm just used to you voting for me first thing.

EzekelRAGE · Dec 7, 2018

DCPat said:
I thought he was scum. How about you? Why did you vote him? Only for the hammer? You didn't get it this time.

Gorlak wants to lynch outside of the claimed PR. You don't. What do you think of that?

Didn't what to tie. I remember nin feeling defeated. Also I didn't try to hammer.

Idk about gorlak. I guess he is trying to let scum decide? May be too late by then. Especially if gorlak is scum.

Deleted member 19365 · Dec 7, 2018

melonrabbit said:
Hard to know. I'm feeling a bit lost.
Nin seemed so likely and yet here we are. I'm still not 100% on Zeke but looking beyond that for a moment...
I joked but gir was fairly in the middle and careful not to make too many waves. Maybe Chuggs was right about DC?

Zeke, gir, DCPat - all covered in vague statements, no hard stance. Noted.

malus · Dec 7, 2018

DCPat said:
Goodmorning!

Happy Birthday Gorlak and welcome Brazil. I'm doing pretty fine, how about yourself?

Why did you feel the need to unvote? Why was your vote on nin?

Because it wasn't an informed vote anymore. I was just beyond melons role claim at that point and I didn't know whether there had been any more claims and if nin had been involved at all. As I said I was a bit petrified by all the role claims so I didn't do anything when I probably should have unvoted. I've already explained my vote on nin several times. Why was your vote on nin for that matter?

Deleted member 19365 · Dec 7, 2018

DCPat said:
Gorlak wants to lynch outside of the claimed PR. You don't. What do you think of that?

Where do you want to go?

melonrabbit · Dec 7, 2018

Gorlak said:
Zeke, gir, DCPat - all covered in vague statements, no hard stance. Noted.

Do you want me to say definitively that I find Zeke scummy again? I still do. So I'm not sure how that's not a hard stance.

Weren't you on Zeke's case yesterday for not looking beyond the tunnel?

Deleted member 19365 · Dec 7, 2018

melonrabbit said:
Have you let go of your theory that Zeke is the chat creator, @Gorlak?

I have no idea. Zeke could be anything. But if scum can listen in, why would they choose themselves? You blocked N2. He was tracked N3. Both times nothing damning.
He was big talking with Faddy about CS note gambit, I think that interaction is decisive - I have to reread. My impression was that it wasn't w/w. Swamped had the same feeling somewhere.

melonrabbit · Dec 7, 2018

Gorlak, if you thought Zeke was the scum chat creator or scum was involved why did Swamped feel okay claiming? Also, why you think AB is still scum when, if he was, he would know about your plan with Swamped from the get go and know she at least thought she moved? Was that all an act to you?

I just don't understand the logic behind this is you know or think scum is reading.

melonrabbit · Dec 7, 2018

EzekelRAGE said:
Especially if gorlak is scum.

You think so?

DCPat · Dec 7, 2018

EzekelRAGE said:
Didn't what to tie. I remember nin feeling defeated. Also I didn't try to hammer.

Idk about gorlak. I guess he is trying to let scum decide? May be too late by then. Especially if gorlak is scum.

Why would he be trying to let scum decide? What would be his goal there? What does that even mean.

I thought it was interesting to read on the one hand Gorlak who is saying we should lynch outside of the claims and you with Melon and AB as people you want to possible lynch.

DCPat · Dec 7, 2018

Gorlak said:
Where do you want to go?

I don't know yet. I was reading it and it stood out to me. I also need to form my opinion on who to lynch today.

Deleted member 19365 · Dec 7, 2018

melonrabbit said:
Do you want me to say definitively that I find Zeke scummy again? I still do. So I'm not sure how that's not a hard stance.

"I'm still not 100% on Zeke but looking beyond that for a moment... " this read vague to me - like "maybe he's scum but new info makes it less likely".

Other than that all you muster up is a "oh... gir was pretty middle road, wasn't he?" "maybe it's dcpat? remember chuggs?"

I was hoping for something more concrete to work with. Maybe even a new perspective build on evidence.

EzekelRAGE · Dec 7, 2018

Gorlak said:
I have multiple posts about that yesterday, I think Alexem and Malus also came in and agreed/pointed out more arguments for gir probably being town.

It seems you have like one post about gir, and that is saying his voting is townie. Can you give me a short summary of things other than his votes. Also what YOU feel, not malus and Alex.

Gorlak said:
Zeke, gir, DCPat - all covered in vague statements, no hard stance. Noted.

are these your summaries on those players or what melon has said throughout the game about those players?

melonrabbit said:
Do you want me to say definitively that I find Zeke scummy again? I still do. So I'm not sure how that's not a hard stance.

Weren't you on Zeke's case yesterday for not looking beyond the tunnel?

What do you think about gorlak putting me in his towncore day 5? AFTER saying I've been scummier and scummier EVERDAY since day 2.

Says he has only been giving me a townread in his reads because he wanted to "protect " me.

EzekelRAGE · Dec 7, 2018

DCPat said:
Why would he be trying to let scum decide? What would be his goal there? What does that even mean.

I thought it was interesting to read on the one hand Gorlak who is saying we should lynch outside of the claims and you with Melon and AB as people you want to possible lynch.

Let scum decide - let scum kill them at night

Ab seems shaky.
Melon I've scumread b4, on top of me thinking her flip confirms swamped.
You also forget I mentioned Alex.

Deleted member 19365 · Dec 7, 2018

melonrabbit said:
Gorlak, if you thought Zeke was the scum chat creator or scum was involved why did Swamped feel okay claiming? Also, why you think AB is still scum when, if he was, he would know about your plan with Swamped from the get go and know she at least thought she moved? Was that all an act to you?

I just don't understand the logic behind this is you know or think scum is reading.

I was hoping scum wouldn't read what we wrote. Swamped and I agreed that it looked like a townie chose the participants. Maybe we've felt too safe in the chat.
Scum being chat creator was a thought that Zeke explained to me yesterday after the chat happened, that did seem reasonable then. I do not know the alignment of the chat creator nor if anyone else read the chat. I can't base my read solely on that assumption. I'm not sure about AB. I've pointed out that there are other reasons why AB is less likely to be scum.

DCPat · Dec 7, 2018

malus said:
Because it wasn't an informed vote anymore. I was just beyond melons role claim at that point and I didn't know whether there had been any more claims and if nin had been involved at all. As I said I was a bit petrified by all the role claims so I didn't do anything when I probably should have unvoted. I've already explained my vote on nin several times. Why was your vote on nin for that matter?

I was asking because if you was sure of your scumread of nin, why consider removing the vote. I will look your explanations up if I have more time, or when you are bothered to quote them for me.
But it seems your reasoning to want to unvote nin was based on the role claims.
I don't know, I think it would be unwise to unvote a lynch candidate 4 minutes before eod.

I thought Nin was scum. I thought he was coasting after his game start and I thought he was doing some weird things along a sketchy vote record.

Deleted member 19365 · Dec 7, 2018

EzekelRAGE said:
It seems you have like one post about gir, and that is saying his voting is townie. Can you give me a short summary of things other than his votes. Also what YOU feel, not malus and Alex.

Why would I need other things when his vote history is blatantly telling he's very likely to be town? (if he's scum he's a dedicated bus driver and gets my respect, but I think that's extremely unlikely) He's been afk the last two phases and hasn't done much else that stood out.

Deleted member 19365 · Dec 7, 2018

EzekelRAGE said:
are these your summaries on those players or what melon has said throughout the game about those players?

That's a summary of the quoted post in there.

Deleted member 19365 · Dec 7, 2018

DCPat said:
I also need to form my opinion on who to lynch today.

Let's start here: Do you believe swamped is scum?

DCPat · Dec 7, 2018

EzekelRAGE said:
Let scum decide - let scum kill them at night

Ab seems shaky.
Melon I've scumread b4, on top of me thinking her flip confirms swamped.
You also forget I mentioned Alex.

Alex isn't a claimed PR as far as I know. I know you mentioned him. But I was purely talking about AB and Melon, who you want to lynch, but Gorlak doesn't want to.

As per your own theory; if Melon had a protect tonight and she targeted herself. It also increased the chance that Melon was the target for tonights no kill night. I think it's unlikely, but it is possible and that would mean she is town.

EzekelRAGE · Dec 7, 2018

Gorlak said:
Why would I need other things when his vote history is blatantly telling he's very likely to be town? (if he's scum he's a dedicated bus driver and gets my respect, but I think that's extremely unlikely) He's been afk the last two phases and hasn't done much else that stood out.

Because you have him in your towncore? I thought you would have something of more substance than you liking two of his votes.

You were the one saying you had "multiple posts" on him yesterday. Like you did a deep dive on him or something. 1 post, maybe 2.

Instead of beating around the bush you could've said I liked two of his votes.

malus · Dec 7, 2018

EzekelRAGE said:
Let scum decide - let scum kill them at night

I agree with that for today. We have three claims right now of which all seem quite dangerous for scum. AB could track the scum killer to his target, melon could steal the faction kill and Swamped is quite obviously a protective role. If only 2 scum are remaining, one of them is sure to be town, meaning they still have a chance to catch scum red handed. So no need to risk a town power role if scum will probably confirm one anyway. If we don't get any useful information tomorrow from those roles I would consider looking into those three a bit deeper.

DCPat · Dec 7, 2018

Gorlak said:
Let's start here: Do you believe swamped is scum?

I do not believe Swamped is scum.

EzekelRAGE · Dec 7, 2018

DCPat said:
Alex isn't a claimed PR as far as I know. I know you mentioned him. But I was purely talking about AB and Melon, who you want to lynch, but Gorlak doesn't want to.

As per your own theory; if Melon had a protect tonight and she targeted herself. It also increased the chance that Melon was the target for tonights no kill night. I think it's unlikely, but it is possible and that would mean she is town.

If she has a protect, use it on swamped if your town.

You dying confirms swamped.

Deleted member 19365 · Dec 7, 2018

DCPat said:
I do not believe Swamped is scum.

Do you believe AB is scum?

DCPat · Dec 7, 2018

Gorlak said:
Do you believe AB is scum?

Because I know your next question will be Melon I'll answer them both it once. They were both on my radar after nin and now have both claimed. Without the claims I could've said today that I'd lynch either one of them.

Now, I don't have the illusion that I'm an intimidating factor here, so I don't believe that's the reason for the roleclaims.

I have problems with AB's target choices and moment of claiming.
Melons timing I have less problems with. Considering Swamped and AB's claim she had relevant info to be shared.

I tend to believe both the claims, but for AB I don't know it's alignment. So do I believe Melon and Swamped to be scum? I don't think so. Do I believe AB to be scum? Could be.

absolutbro · Dec 7, 2018

I just woke up and need to reread, but my first thought is "kidney stones suck so much butt". Hope it's over so Alexem, I know first hand how miserable they are.

Alexem · Dec 7, 2018

absolutbro said:
I just woke up and need to reread, but my first thought is "kidney stones suck so much butt". Hope it's over so Alexem, I know first hand how miserable they are.

That they are, AB, that they are. Not having such a good day with them today, but the painkillers seem to have worked a bit this morning, so it could be worse. (Seriously, folks - drink your water and watch your salt. Actually, I do both, but I still seem to get one every year anyway, so just try not to have my metabolism.)

Gorlak - To be honest, I hadn't noticed that similarity between myself and Malus' voting, but I can see what you mean now that you mention it. I was more struck by how similar Chuggernaut's thinking was to my own - in a way, knowing that he was town gave me a bit of a confidence boost with regards to my reads.

With regards to the Swamped, Melon and AB situation, I'm inclined to stick with my town read - I've not been convinced otherwise to this point, anyway. Melon's claim is trickier - it could make sense of the blocking but, as has been pointed out already, it could be faked with a suitable scum partner. I'm not sure if I'd peg her as neutral, though - added to Grizzly and his potential understudies, it almost seems like there would be too many neutrals. That's just speculation, though. As for AB, I'm inclined to not take it at face value at the moment. Having a string of no movement results can't really be proven, so it doesn't exactly say anything one way or the other.

What does surprise me is that DCPat seems to have gone out of focus recently. I've long had him as one of my top suspects for the earlier voting patterns, but Stuart, Chuggernaut, GP and Turmoil all thought he'd be a worthy target at various times. Could it be possible that our attention has been drawn away from him intentionally?

EzekelRAGE · Dec 7, 2018

Anyone have thoughts on the nin voters?

EzekelRAGE · Dec 7, 2018

Fuck it. I want answers in this ab swamped melon triangle.

Could it all really be as simple as it seems.
Vote: melonrabbit

Melon seems to be the only expendable one.

Her flip confirms both swamped and ab.

Scum tracker is unlikely since scum had a ninja.