85.
So SNP, Lib Dems, TIG and a handful of others.
Majority voted against it.
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85.
So SNP, Lib Dems, TIG and a handful of others.
Majority voted against it.
I know I'm not supposed to do this, and I know it's not helpful, but since I've been told over and over again that my position that Corbyn is actually pro leave is wrong, I can't help but point to this and wave my hands around.
Because here we are again.
The reason to vote for the peoples vote TODAY is that the EU have said they'll give the UK an extension for another referendum AND we're voting to ask for an extension today. How is it not the time? If parliament ask for an extension and the EU say 'why should we give you one?' and parliament don't have an answer... what happens?
Of course now is the time. If not, then when? In two weeks?
Because here we are again.
The reason to vote for the peoples vote TODAY is that the EU have said they'll give the UK an extension for another referendum AND we're voting to ask for an extension today. How is it not the time? If parliament ask for an extension and the EU say 'why should we give you one?' and parliament don't have an answer... what happens?
Of course now is the time. If not, then when? In two weeks?
So what happens if the speak doesn't allow Kyle/Wilson to be voted on because this has already been voted down?
Yeah let's just forget that most of the People's Vote campaigners have also said to abstain today but sure, it's all Corbyn's fault.
How are they going to get anything through parliament without the numbers? They care about getting the numbers to enact what you obviously want but it doesn't look like there's the numbers to get it through even if the whole of the labour party vote for it.
I'm annoyed and confused, but I have to assume that they're doing this for a reason and if this actually is the best action to take to actually get a second referendum later on in the process, so be it.
Even easier for them then.
Vote for it and don't anger your supporters and then try again later.
Corbyn is fumbling so much it's ridiculous.
So they abstained from the second ref today to see the next vote now pass. So if this one doesn't pass then they've really ballsed it up.
Yup, now we know we need a lot of Tory rebels, if not the Government backing it, in order for a second referendum.
Or, you know, even the people's vote campaign knew it was a bad idea and didn't want to do it
I'm sorry but I'm with Wollaston. The EU don't have to give the UK an extension and have said multiple times that they would for a referendum. Today is when parliament decide whether or not to ask for one. Screw the party bullcrap and WHICH deal they want on the ballot etc.
The only way we can even talk about such a thing is if we take an actual step to remove the threat of no deal on March 29th. Unless you're planning to do a referendum in less than a week.
But when you lose the government (and EU) will say parliament doesn't support a 2nd referendum, which might actually be true.
We are seeing a big split from the People's Vote camp on how they should operate.
Do you realize the message it sends to the EU when those who supposedly campaign for a second referendum doesn't even show up to a vote on the matter because of internal politics?
It's even more unlikely for them to grant an extension now because why should they when it's clear MPs care more about their seats than acting in good faith?
Well we suspected a second referendum won't have a majority (I doubt it will have if labour pushes it next week) still it makes no sense for labour to abstain on this as the amendment won't pass anyway and anger their supporters.
But it was never going to pass today, ever. Just look at the results. That's the reason why people have an issue with it being done today. You'd need more tory rebels on board, and honestly, that'll only happen if their backs are literally against the wall.
As much as I loath Corbyn and the leaderships pro-leave agenda. It would have angered just as many voting for it even if it lost.
They fence sat to not anger anyone. Just like they've been doing for months now.
You can stack it up however you want- the votes that would enable a second referendum to happen simply don't exist yet. Everyone throwing their weight behind a second referendum vote now is only going to fail.
The only chance is for the second referendum to be the last option standing, and we're not even close to that yet.
Yeah, that, basically.
Can't wait for the vote on the extension to fail. Going to be absolutely hilarious when we have absolutely no action with any support.
334 MPs turned up to vote against it.
If a 2nd referendum was a real possibility there would be supporters on the Tory benches that would also abstain on the matter.
Now it seems clear the only way to get a 2nd referendum is to have a general election.
He could have campaigned for Europe when it mattered -> Two years ago. He is indeed also partialy at fault, but please spare me with that stupid victimization of that man, ok?
None of them are going to break the whip for a vote they know will fail so I wouldn't read too much into the Tory vote.
There's more than a few that have publicly expressed their support for a second ref so when it comes to it it's going to be much much closer.
That's not a reason to abstain. That's the opposite of a reason to abstain.
I can understand why the campaign didn't want the vote to happen today. I can understand why it wasn't the best opportunity to bring this issue forwards (even if I believe it was absolutely right to bring this issue forwards today).
But 'it won't win anyway' isn't a reason to abstain from voting for something you support. Not if the vote is going ahead anyway.
and the BBC aren't even challenging them on it.
You'd get a better interview if the interviewer was a fucking nursery school child or even P1/2s.
Yeah when you have the very people that spent a better part of two years wanting a ref and spending millions to do so, them saying not to vote for it should have been a big fat red warning to let this vote sink.
A cock up by the TIG. But not surprising, conniving idiots are it more in it for themselves then the other mps anyway.
Also, for those asking why not vote for the ref yet, we'll its a last resort, when all other options are exausted. Real close to the wire stuff, and the people in charge of the respective campaigns know that all too well. We are not there yet option wise, it's close though.
A cock up by the TIG. But not surprising, conniving idiots are it more in it for themselves then the other mps anyway.
Also, for those asking why not vote for the ref yet, we'll its a last resort, when all other options are exausted. Real close to the wire stuff, and the people in charge of the respective campaigns know that all too well. We are not there yet option wise, it's close though.
I agree, he is partially at fault and his leadership has been weak at times but he is the better of the 2 evils. May campaigned to stay in the EU yet yesterday voted to take the UK out of the EU without a deal.
Exactly, imagine the final outcome of the vote would have been close or heaven forbid the no's would have ended up with a slim minority. All that while they sit smugly on the abstention benches...
Benn's amendment failed to pass by (I think) just four votes.
EDIT - apologies, I was confused as it was an amendment to the amendment that didn't pass.
EDIT - apologies, I was confused as it was an amendment to the amendment that didn't pass.
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Yeah it's weak, some people say this in challenge then they let them finish with more lies unchallenged. It's shit.
Well that one just did.
Edit: overall extension should be fine, but wouldn't put anything past these cunts.
They vote on Benn right now. That was the Powell amendment.
Fucking stupid time to try and get a 2nd ref. They've completely fucked it. Good job idiots.
Corbyn would be preferable to May for a whole boat load of reasons.
But I still think people who disagree with me that he's clearly pro leave are burying their heads in the sand.
And I know having this argument right now isn't helpful.
At this point I'm not sure it matters which leader is pro-remain/leave.
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