I don't know about that. According to Guardian even Corbyn and his inner circle think a ref is more likely than a GE now. Apparently the numbers aren't quite there to force another GE. And its assumed trying to force a GE is more likely to fail than pass.
That's not good...
Not a guarantee by a long shot but the people that didn't vote or couldn't vote at the time, people who changed their minds, I like to think that would swing towards remain. I wonder if they would let British people who live outside the UK in the rest of the EU a vote next time.
Brexit is terrible in every way, we will never have the same stature, power in the world as we do within the EU, losing respect, simple cooperation with allies for no gain etc. Big stick meet little stick.
Yeah, same thing with Boris, Mogg, Gov. It would have been hard but amazing in the end if we took the chance but parliament wasn't willing to take leap into the fields of wheat, we will never know how greater great Britain could have been. /pukeI think the Gov wants to be defeated. In the end that’s the best ending story for them, they don’t want their own deal, for which any bad impacts would be blamed on them. Leaving because parliament didn’t let them do their thing is assuming the role of the victim, so that in the end they can always say their deal would have been better.
And still the Tories would win a GE according to a YouGov poll. How fucking stupid are people?
Well the Grieve amendment boxes in the Hard Brexit ERG since it gives parliament a say in what happens going forward if the vote is lost.
Surprised they didn't just went with the obvious "Mayday".
I think from the tone of May's speech last night, she's gone next week if there's a sizable loss. It was very much a setting the history straight speech rather than anything else.
If she goes then I'm curious to know if they will replace her with a Remainer, a Leaver or somebody 'middle of the road'.
She's not wrong in the idea that the Grieve amendment might make a few Brexiteers think that May's deal is the hardest they'll get, but I'd be surprised if more than a handful actually changed their mind, given that that was the case before Grieve's amendment.
Pretty much, yeah.
More or less. Norway is in the single market, in Schengen, under the ECJ, in a few EU programmes but doesn't have any voting rights and does all its international trade deals through the EU (so no independent trade policy). Norway is outside CAP and CFP, though, so we'd have some freedom there.
Yes, and it is Parliaments way out, you will hear a big shift now since the Grieve amendment, all those clambering for a second vote will go quiet now. They have been given a get out
Exactly, May has weaponised the Brexit vote calling anyone a democracy destroyer who votes against her deal, Parliament can now say ‘we honoured the referendum’More or less. Norway is in the single market, in Schengen, under the ECJ, in a few EU programmes but doesn't have any voting rights and does all its international trade deals through the EU (so no independent trade policy). Norway is outside CAP and CFP, though, so we'd have some freedom there.
It's completely pointless and worse than what we have now, but I think some are looking at it as a way to discharge the referendum mandate with minimal damage, since we would technically have left the European Union.
I'd prefer remaining but I'd take that over the other options.
That's a good thing when your influence has been as toxic as Britain's has been for some time now. The UK can always re-join as a full member when May's generation is cold in the ground and sane millennials have taken over.
Was always going to be like that, when this is all over there will be careers in ruins, careers ruined deliberately, repucussions on rebel MP’s