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FliXFantatier

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is going to end up like the climate change debate and trying to claim a link to individual weather events. I think Brexit can be the straw that breaks the back of weak companies like this airline without doing much, and healthy companies choosing to relocate because of a billion quids worth of tarrifs over the medium term.

Mogg types will deny any of it being related.
Sounds likely.
 

lemonhat

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Dec 6, 2018
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Yes, just like Brexit, as long as it stays undefined you can easily get a majority
Haha, exactly. What a meaningless poll. Without a new centre ground party actually existing with prospective candidates and clear policies on a range of matters (and not just on brexit as the vast majority are not single issue voters) it really doesn't tell us anything. And given the public have totally rejected the main centrist party the Lib Dems the past two elections and Labour did worse in its more centrist guise in the two previous pre-2017 general elections it's just absurd that people continue to claim there is a clamour for a new centrist party anyway. Voters aren't interested.
 

PJV3

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well they did it already over the car industry, blaming it on diesel and emission tests, as if already having problems wouldn't be compounded by erecting trade barriers.

I can see why people are worried that we aren't going to learn anything if Brexit goes badly, it will always be something else that can be blamed.
 

Dan

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Oct 25, 2017
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This is going to end up like the climate change debate and trying to claim a link to individual weather events. I think Brexit can be the straw that breaks the back of weak companies like this airline without doing much, and healthy companies choosing to relocate because of a billion quids worth of tarrifs over the medium term.

Mogg types will deny any of it being related.
Yep. I'd agree with you there. Brexit may not put these airlines to the point of no return, but it will have a fatal effect, especially with the effect of the value of the pound.

I just read that FlyBe may have to shut too if this takeover plan involving Virgin doesn't come to fruition. It seems like the streamlined business model of the smaller carriers cannot handle the current uncertainty. While the likes of shitty RyanAir seem to be able to cope...
 

danowat

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's 'one' of the causes, but i am sure it'll get lumped in with the project fear rhetoric.

Would it have happened without Brexit? Who knows, but to think it's had no affect is ludicrous.
 

Kyougar

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Nov 3, 2017
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Just a little drop of uncertainty could tank a corporation on life-support.
Even if they were in deep shit before Brexit, the outlook and uncertainty with Brexit would make finding investors more difficult. Without Brexit, they would maybe have found some risk-taking investors, helping them stay afloat. Maybe the owners themselves didn't believe in a future for their company because of Brexit and pulled the rug. Some will probably have easier business prospectives elsewhere.
 

Temascos

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Oct 27, 2017
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59% of the population are open to voting for their idea of a centre party.

I could vote for a centre party that is anti-brexit and pro-nationalising the railways. Doubt that would happen though.
Would the Greens qualify for that? I know they're anti-Brexit (Or at least pro People's Vote) but not sure about nationalising railways.

Speaking of second referendum I got the email about the march which is scheduled to take place a few days before Brexit officially happens, I'll definitely go but I don't think the timing quite works due to the fact it'll be too late to do anything at that time.

Still, if Brexit goes ahead you can bet there will be a lot more protests before the year is over.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Yep. I'd agree with you there. Brexit may not put these airlines to the point of no return, but it will have a fatal effect, especially with the effect of the value of the pound.

I just read that FlyBe may have to shut too if this takeover plan involving Virgin doesn't come to fruition. It seems like the streamlined business model of the smaller carriers cannot handle the current uncertainty. While the likes of shitty RyanAir seem to be able to cope...
If Flybe winds up instead of selling to Virgin then you’re going to see the south coast take a massive hit. Southampton airport especially
 

Dan

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Oct 25, 2017
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If Flybe winds up instead of selling to Virgin then you’re going to see the south coast take a massive hit. Southampton airport especially
Well, it depends on what they intend to do, but absolutely, Flybe is huge for Southampton airport - my boss flies out of there on a constant basis - lets hope they just push to get capital in there and it be a domestic rebrand or something.
 

Gawge

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Oct 27, 2017
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I got the email about the march which is scheduled to take place a few days before Brexit officially happens, I'll definitely go but I don't think the timing quite works due to the fact it'll be too late to do anything at that time.

Still, if Brexit goes ahead you can bet there will be a lot more protests before the year is over.
Even primary school children know you need to cause disruption to have any impact. Wandering through central London on a pre-approved route on a Saturday with some shitty signs about tea, maybe a rude word about Boris Johnson isn’t going to do anything.
 

PJV3

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Oct 25, 2017
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Fuck those rich brexiteers.

Hiding wealth from the country should mean an automatic loss of titles, being knighted should mean you give everything to make the country better, whether that's money, or public service.

That's if we aren't going to scrap the stupid honours system altogether, it should mean something.
 

Dougald

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Oct 27, 2017
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Even primary school children know you need to cause disruption to have any impact. Wandering through central London on a pre-approved route on a Saturday with some shitty signs about tea, maybe a rude word about Boris Johnson isn’t going to do anything.
But right wingers and both-sides-ers on the internet told me blocking traffic was the worst sin a man can commit and would instantly turn the general population against your cause
 

Gawge

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Oct 27, 2017
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But right wingers and both-sides-ers on the internet told me blocking traffic was the worst sin a man can commit and would instantly turn the general population against your cause
Shame that centrists are feeling politically ‘wronged’ for the first time with Brexit, or they might have achieved something more than getting Chuka a nice think tank job for the next decade.
 

Corporal

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Oct 27, 2017
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Meanwhile, Spain has entered its own election cycle. And, like clockwork...
guardian said:
A Spanish warship has ordered commercial vessels to leave British waters, Gibraltar’s government said.

The warship’s crew can be heard in an audio recording of a radio exchange on Sunday telling vessels anchored at the Rock to “leave Spanish territorial waters”. Royal Navy boats were deployed in response to the incident.
(etc)
I love that the RN deployed an inflatable boat and a launch to shoo off a warship. I'm sure the Spanish were suitably impressed by this demonstration of naval might. (Obviously neither side was interested in an escalation, but it still amuses me)
 

gosublime

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Oct 25, 2017
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Meanwhile, Spain has entered its own election cycle. And, like clockwork...

I love that the RN deployed an inflatable boat and a launch to shoo off a warship. I'm sure the Spanish were suitably impressed by this demonstration of naval might. (Obviously neither side was interested in an escalation, but it still amuses me)
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.
 

excowboy

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Oct 29, 2017
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Apparently there's a press conference at 10am where 5+/- Labour MPs are announcing they are leaving / introducing their new party.

itshappening.gif I guess? I can only assume that the result of this is to turn their seats blue at the next election but I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
 

Koukalaka

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Oct 28, 2017
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Apparently there's a press conference at 10am where 5+/- Labour MPs are announcing they are leaving / introducing their new party.

itshappening.gif I guess? I can only assume that the result of this is to turn their seats blue at the next election but I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
While I don't necessarily agree with those leaving, it really is testament to the worst parts of our FPTP system that MPs are essentially bound to the major parties as splitting off or joining a smaller party is a death sentence at the next election 90% of the time.

It's a big part of the reason why "Party before Country" is so prevalent.
 

Tygre

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Oct 25, 2017
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I go on holiday for two weeks, come back, and nothinghaschanged.gif

in 40 days time, if nothing else happens, this country goes over the cliff. Yet two weeks can pass without any meaningful change. Madness.

Apparently there's a press conference at 10am where 5+/- Labour MPs are announcing they are leaving / introducing their new party.

itshappening.gif I guess? I can only assume that the result of this is to turn their seats blue at the next election but I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
If they had any balls, or any principles, they would all trigger by-elections as part of resigning from Labour.

But they won't, because they know they would get beaten at the ballot box and consigned to the dustbin of history endlessly rolled out by the BBC as a talking head for hire.

Fuck the lot of them, and roll on the next GE.
 

PJV3

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Oct 25, 2017
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Are there going to be any heavy heavy hitters in this gang of five? If its Chuka and four people nobody have heard of then i don't think anyone will care.

The SDP split hurt because they were big players.
 

Blue Lou

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Oct 26, 2017
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Resigning Labour MPs: Luciana Berger, Mike Gapes, Ann Coffey, Chris Leslie, Angela Smith, Chuka Umunna, Gavin Shuker
 
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theaface

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Oct 25, 2017
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Corbyn is massively unpopular within his own Parliamentary party and yet remains massively popular among voters.
I’d question whether or not the latter part is true. He exceeded expectations at the last GE but ultimately still lost and his stance on Brexit since then won’t have done him any favours amongst his young base.
 

Spookie

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Oct 28, 2017
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Corbyn is massively unpopular within his own Parliamentary party and yet remains massively popular among voters.

What a mess.
Is he though? Even in my local area, which is about as Labour as you can get (Birkenhead), most think Corbyn is unelectable.

Great, that’s another 5 years of Tories coming up.
Regardless of these MPs leaving. It felt like that was a given at this point anyway.
 

Blent

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Oct 26, 2017
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The Independent Group's values according to Gavin Shuker:
- Britain is a great country
- Government should keep people safe
- "Not every problem in the world is created by the West"
- Work with other countries to solve shared problems
- Good public services come from strong economy
- Government is custodian of money from the public
- "Believe in the innate creativity of individuals"
- Government should remove barriers
- Strong democratic institutions of press, police, etc
 

Flammable D

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Oct 30, 2017
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The Independent Group's values according to Gavin Shukar:
- Britain is a great country
- Government should keep people safe
- "Not every problem in the world is created by the West"
- Work with other countries to solve shared problems
- Good public services come from strong economy
- Government is custodian of money from the public
- "Believe in the innate creativity of individuals"
- Government should remove barriers
- Strong democratic institutions of press, police, etc
- "the class system is good, actually"
 

Gawge

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Oct 27, 2017
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Chuka wanting a share of that delicious 7.4% Lib Dem vote.

The coward will never call a Streatham by-election because of how humiliating it would be for him.
 

Dougald

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Oct 27, 2017
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The Independent Group's values according to Gavin Shuker:
- Britain is a great country
- Government should keep people safe
- "Not every problem in the world is created by the West"
- Work with other countries to solve shared problems
- Good public services come from strong economy
- Government is custodian of money from the public
- "Believe in the innate creativity of individuals"
- Government should remove barriers
- Strong democratic institutions of press, police, etc
What a load of meaningless fluff.
 

PJV3

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think Corbyn losing an election to May shows he's pretty unpopular with voters.
The tories had the world at their feet at the beginning of the campaign, a mixture of a disastrous start to the Tories campaign and Corbyn coming across as a seemingly normal politician, and not the red menace helped.

I don't think he can win outright due to his baggage, but that doesn't mean I disagree with him over most issues.
 

ManixMiner

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Dec 17, 2017
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To be fair both Corbyn and May are both scraping the bottom of the barrel in votes. Neither are popular or are offering anything different from the opposition on Brexit. This new party will possibly just give us another decade of Tory rule just like it did with Thatcher and the SDP/Labour split following Michael Foots election loss.
 
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