The EU has also some say in all of that and a hard frontier was never a option for the EU since they dont want to hurt the good friday treaty.
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First image leaked of Theresa May's long-delayed Plan B...
Incorrect.
A key difference is that that image is actually impressive
Sequencing for today:
- PM presents to EU27
- PM leaves room
- EU27 debate at dinner. June, Dec, or March 2020 extension & conditions.
- Tusk asks PM if it's acceptable, she agrees.
- Tim Barrow writes confirming new date - becomes EU Council decision & EU Law
- Statutory Instrument laid - changes UK law exit date, no vote necessary
You stole my joke that I've been planning to do for THREE YEARS. Damn all these delays!
Who presents the SI? Presumably someone that isn't going to do any fuckery.
Last time it was Robin Walker. Parliamentary Under Secretary of State of the Department for Exiting the European Union.
You can't really get very fucky with an SI.
I'm pretty sure that you will get another chance to post it.
Good good. Happy to see the Cooper / Letwin thing smoothing over this whole process already.
Love the inference that whatever conditions Tusk proposes, May immediately agrees.
"Show us your dance moves again Theresa"
It's that or crash out on Friday, so she really doesn't have a choice.
Well she does. Refuse then give mp's the choice of no deal or revoke. I'm sure which would come in as the winner.
If the WA eventually gets through, I hope someone adds up all the money that has been wasted on no deal planning, that was lost due to dragging out uncertainty, etc etc. Because what was the point of anything if they end up voting the same thing they could have approved back in November through?
I'm not blaming the EU in any of this, because May is still telling them she will get the deal through as is.
I'm not blaming the EU in any of this, because May is still telling them she will get the deal through as is.
well then people may elect some other party after the term is over.
I'm pretty sure I heard unattributed quotes from Tory MPs months ago saying they'd quit the party if Boris or Rees-Mogg became leader, so it's possible their ascension would lead to a GE because it'd immediately become a minority government. Of course, these could have been quotes from the TIGgers, but I'm pretty sure they're not the only ones who loathe those two.
Well, again, the DUP may have something to say about Boris or Rees-Mogg being in charge after doing them dirty, leading to a similar result.
They should be getting torn to shreds for not working over time to sort this shit out, whatever people's positions are on the matter. But of course, the presumption is long extension, so they're going to go back to pretending it isn't pressing I expect.
I really am sick of this self-pitying rubbish from the Government. 'Oh we could have solved it if only Parliament let us' They've known for ages what Parliament would agree to and ignored them constantly regardless. They've done nothing to try to convince Parliament of the merits of the deal, only threatened and attacked them.
I'm not sure how much the pressure is doing, but you've got to imagine things would be worse off without people putting pressure on the UK to commit to a direction already.
No, but again, it's clear after the last delay, that he'll make concessions rather than upset the EU27 by forcing the UK out unilaterally.
I kinda feel even with a long delay to December we will still be at this point. Must be a people's vote at some point hopefully with remain on the ballot or this nonsense can't continue, revoke article 50. I don't think people can take much more of this, doesn't mean you should get on with it, that's doing a bad thing for no good reason.
I would say pressure has done next to nothing, UK Parliament has pretty much ignored what the EU has said publicly, has assumed an extension will be granted (either by some misplaced sense of pride or information they're getting) and doesn't think it will be faced with a no-deal cliffhanger. Now that doesn't mean pressure shouldn't be applied but I'm not sure the other leaders are really willing to send a hard message to the UK, France and Austria seem to be the hardliners.
And the whole "renaissance" bit just threw me off
oh my. fringe parties eating each other's lunch.
shame it isn't a general election but I'll take what I can get right now.
Does this mean we won't find out the results of this 'extension' talk tonight?
remember when TIG were going to change the world and fix politics
EU will announce its decision today. May can comment tomorrow. It's not like britain will be deciding whether the extension goes until 31/12/19 or 31/3/20.
She could say no to a long extension, EU don't offer anything else, MV4 happens. Is she that crazy?
When? The timeline would be nuts. They'd have to approve MV4, get it through lords and get at least a technical extension from the EU in less than two days to avoid accidentally crashing out.
I don't think she's anything close to that crazy. So long as the 'flextension' is part of the offer, she isn't going to try this nutso approach.
EU is going to continue to blink, and offer extensions. Nobody wants no deal, too much at risk beyond the UK borders.
I don't think it's 'blinking' when it's in their interest, and they aren't the one making concensions.
Except the UK's bluff has also been called - after two years of "No Deal is better than a Bad Deal", it turns out only a hardcore of mental MPs actually want to go through with it (surprise, surprise).
Totally agree! No deal is unworkable and unsafe. Another way forward will eventually be found, and extensions will continue to facilitate that.
IDS going in about no deal is best deal again. Dude wants to see loads more people die I guess. Dude must be over the thrill of the people he had a hand in killing due to his sick/disabled benefit changes
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