It's so disappointing, with the right labour leader, a second referendum would almost be a lock at this point.
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It's so disappointing, with the right labour leader, a second referendum would almost be a lock at this point.
According to the results of several polls carrried out, and posted in this thread, "Leave" would still have it.
A referendum is his last option, the Tories aren't going to give him a general election so he will probably be forced into it anyway.
If Labour were pushing for a second referendum for the last year, the Tories likely woulnd't be in quite as grim of a place right now. Also, Labour would be in the doldrums, because polls show the that public do not want a second referendum.
The polls only show us how things look given the positions of the parties in this world. Not saying that I think Labour would be killing it and remain would be favored had they not spent a year downplaying it, but you've got to imagine the polls would be different if the party had a completely different position for 12 months.
The spin of tories and corbyn suddenly agreeing to FoM will be something to behold.
I just think of it as being too close to call, i have a sneaky feeling that people will pull back from leaving in the end.
But i wouldn't have any confidence in it.
I honestly think that currently, there's more chance of a GE than another ref.
I don't know about that. According to Guardian even Corbyn and his inner circle think a ref is more likely than a GE now. Apparently the numbers aren't quite there to force another GE. And its assumed trying to force a GE is more likely to fail than pass.
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Labour will just argue it passed its 6 tests. Tories will say it was will of parliament. This could make ERG vote for Mays deal
"Don't do it, this is a terrible idea and will be terrible for everyone"
Not a guarantee by a long shot but the people that didn't vote or couldn't vote at the time, people who changed their minds, I like to think that would swing towards remain. I wonder if they would let British people who live outside the UK in the rest of the EU a vote next time.
I think the Gov wants to be defeated. In the end that's the best ending story for them, they don't want their own deal, for which any bad impacts would be blamed on them. Leaving because parliament didn't let them do their thing is assuming the role of the victim, so that in the end they can always say their deal would have been better.
Brexit is terrible in every way, we will never have the same stature, power in the world as we do within the EU, losing respect, simple cooperation with allies for no gain etc. Big stick meet little stick.
Yeah, same thing with Boris, Mogg, Gov. It would have been hard but amazing in the end if we took the chance but parliament wasn't willing to take leap into the fields of wheat, we will never know how greater great Britain could have been. /puke
I like that people in his own party are just as sick of his shit as everyone else. Between that, Rees-Mogg's takeover plan failing because he's got no friends AND May being a walking disaster they really are a pathetic lot.
And still the Tories would win a GE according to a YouGov poll. How fucking stupid are people?
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politic...g-intention-conservatives-40-labour-35-26-27-
She's a waste of space, like most of the BBC seems to be on Brexit.
With regard to the Brexit legal advice, is the attorney general known for being a Brexiter? I'm wondering if it could have coloured his language (see vassal state etc).
Edit - Yes, apparently he is.
With regard to the Brexit legal advice, is the attorney general known for being a Brexiter? I'm wondering if it could have coloured his language (see vassal state etc).
Edit - Yes, apparently he is.
Well the Grieve amendment boxes in the Hard Brexit ERG since it gives parliament a say in what happens going forward if the vote is lost.
If there really is no other deal to be made I can see a referendum between May's deal and Remain. The ERG would back May over staying so as far as getting her deal through it was good for her. But also good for avoiding a No Deal Brexit.
The amendment only matters is May is to renegotiate the deal with the EU. If the deal is final there is nothing for Parliament to decide. The true devilishness of it though is that parliament can turn around and say that if May can't bring back a deal Brexit is cancelled.
Era challenge: try watching this edition of Hardtalk with Owen Paterson for more than five minutes without feeling like hitting your head against a wall. To be fair to the interviewer, he does a decent job of refuting the usual ERG bullshit spouted:
HARDtalk with Owen Paterson
HARDtalk with Owen Paterson
Is Kuenssberg really trying to spin yesterday as a good thing for the Tories?!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46449498
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46449498
Very curious to see the legal advice "We need to start hiring a bunch more of everything to keep things working, we also need to stock pile all the things, and as a side note we need to make it so all universities do nothing but train lawyers for the next decade, because we will need every single lawyer we can get our hands on since if we carry forward we are going to get sued into oblivion by every company and or country that has ever invested in us."
Surprised they didn't just went with the obvious "Mayday".
Surprised they didn't just went with the obvious "Mayday".
I am curious as to what is going to happen once the deadline approaches and terror starts to set in.
I think from the tone of May's speech last night, she's gone next week if there's a sizable loss. It was very much a setting the history straight speech rather than anything else.
If she goes then I'm curious to know if they will replace her with a Remainer, a Leaver or somebody 'middle of the road'.
Morgan and Chipripati on radio this morning
Definitely no further referendum, but now when vote fails we will be directing Gov to do a Norway type deal, which still honours the Brexit vote
Morgan went on to say you can still control immigration through Norway model, Chipripati said you can still control trade deals using Norway model
Definitely no further referendum, but now when vote fails we will be directing Gov to do a Norway type deal, which still honours the Brexit vote
Morgan went on to say you can still control immigration through Norway model, Chipripati said you can still control trade deals using Norway model
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