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jelly

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What would the Tories and Labour even campaign on in a GE with regard to Brexit?

My cake is better than their cake.

A remain stance? 2nd Ref? Revoke Article 50? Plough ahead, will of the people?

Would the Tories get a new leader?

Would Labour get a new leader?
 

PJV3

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Oct 25, 2017
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What would the Tories and Labour even campaign on in a GE with regard to Brexit?

My cake is better than their cake.

A remain stance? 2nd Ref? Revoke Article 50? Plough ahead, will of the people?

Would the Tories get a new leader?

Would Labour get a new leader?

Tories with May-give me a stronger mandate for my deal that respects the will of the people and Brexit.

Labour would definitely be about cake until shit hits the party fan and another referendum comes about.
 

Garfield

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Extend it for what though guys? Renegotiate? Not going to happen. GE not going to happen. New Ref unlikely to happen

So we extend to do........
 

Uzzy

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Oct 25, 2017
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So now Parliament isn't even voting on the withdrawal agreement, just their magic version of it.



Don't think the EU will be too impressed.
 

jelly

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Oct 26, 2017
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They would have to sell an extension to the EU with a good reason and yeah, I doubt they are going to come up with one that means anything but more time for........can't say.
 

Facism

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Oct 25, 2017
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fucking love how they ignore the actual mechanisms of the situation and carry on making up their own, like they'd have precedent.
 

Uzzy

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Oct 25, 2017
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I really don't get this??

Basically the Government accepted an amendment to the withdrawal agreement that rewrites the agreement to give Parliament a veto on the backstop.

The EU aren't going to accept this at all. They'll argue (rightly) that Parliament hasn't passed the withdrawal agreement.
 

Lagamorph

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Oct 26, 2017
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It's just meaningless window dressing to get the DUP on board with supporting the government on other votes, and make the EU out to be the bad guys if May's deal miraculously passes and suddenly the EU say no.
"Well we tried but the EU broke their promise"
 

Xando

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Oct 28, 2017
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So now Parliament isn't even voting on the withdrawal agreement, just their magic version of it.



Don't think the EU will be too impressed.

Yeah read this earlier.

Not sure what they're thinking because there's no way the EU accepts that.

Imagine the DUP changing NI laws next year and the transition is over within 30 days.
 

Micael

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Oct 28, 2017
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So they just passed something that completely contradicts what the withdrawal agreement is about, and something that has been extremely exhaustively discussed as being a no go, yeah that EU extension seems ever more likely.

An extension has to happen, so I'm happy if he acknowledges the need for the timetable to extend regardless of what his plan is.

If he starts talking about how many unicorns he'll demand in re-negotiations though...

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jelly

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The government has awarded a number of leading global consultancy firms with Brexit-related contracts worth £75m, it has emerged.
Sky News reports that the deals were brokered in April and had not been widely announced, with details of the plans discretely published on a government website just before Christmas, eight months later.
In contrast to a certain start-up ferry company, all of the companies involved are well-known – including Deloitte, Accenture, PwC, Bain, McKinsey and Boston Consulting.
Each company received a contract for "the supply of Cabinet Office consultancy support for EU Exit" worth between £5m and £10m, according to the report.

They don't actually get this money if nothing happens right?

We must be minus billions. Even if the bus was true, it wasn't we are ready to piss away billions on this shit that could be better spent elsewhere.
 

PJV3

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Oct 25, 2017
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Pesky International agreements.
You would think politicians would have a basic understanding of how serious they are, is Westminster going to throw a fit every time we make a trade deal.
 

Plasma

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Oct 25, 2017
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They don't actually get this money if nothing happens right?

We must be minus billions. Even if the bus was true, it wasn't we are ready to piss away billions on this shit that could be better spent elsewhere.
What are the odds that all of those firms all somehow have ties to the Tories?
 

Goodlifr

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Nov 6, 2017
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Basically the Government accepted an amendment to the withdrawal agreement that rewrites the agreement to give Parliament a veto on the backstop.

The EU aren't going to accept this at all. They'll argue (rightly) that Parliament hasn't passed the withdrawal agreement.

Sorry, yeah, I get what the amendment does, I just can't for the life of me work out why the government accepted it?
 

Lagamorph

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Oct 26, 2017
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They don't actually get this money if nothing happens right?

We must be minus billions. Even if the bus was true, it wasn't we are ready to piss away billions on this shit that could be better spent elsewhere.
They've already had money. The contracts expire in April this year with options to renew.
 

Tygre

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Oct 25, 2017
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They don't actually get this money if nothing happens right?

We must be minus billions. Even if the bus was true, it wasn't we are ready to piss away billions on this shit that could be better spent elsewhere.
You think companies like Deloitte, Accenture, PwC and Bain would negotiate a contract where there's a risk of them not getting paid?

They'll have had those millions up front, and they probably get double if we leave and triple if we don't.
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm very pessimistic on this, I know, but I think the no deal is inevitable at this point, and when the world doesn't come to screeching halt in the first few days following Brexit, we'll be bombarded with a series of stories saying "See, we told you it was no big deal." Of course, the ramifications of a lot of these things won't be felt in the first few days.
 

Ravensmash

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Oct 25, 2017
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Is this the idiot that was on the front page of the Daily Mail today?

Was going to pop in earlier and say I had a small tinge of respect* for them naming and shaming one of the racist loons today.

*obviously not ignoring that their previous rhetoric was instrumental in enabling shit like this
 

Maledict

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Oct 25, 2017
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I love the fact that its basically impossible for Brexiteer's and the Tory Party Leadership to explain why allowing parliament to vote on things is a bad thing and a mistake.
 

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She accused the prime minister of continuing to "waste time" and said it was disappointing it had taken other parties at Westminster so long to start calling for an alternative to the government's withdrawal agreement.

"We told Theresa May to stop wasting time last November, she is still not listening and she is going to put a plan to Parliament that is dead," she said.

👏
 

Deleted member 835

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Is this the idiot that was on the front page of the Daily Mail today?

Was going to pop in earlier and say I had a small tinge of respect* for them naming and shaming one of the racist loons today.

*obviously not ignoring that their previous rhetoric was instrumental in enabling shit like this
Yep. Imagine putting gaffer tape over your mouth when you have a beard.... it sums it up
 

Psychotext

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Oct 30, 2017
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Because certain sections of the media want MPs to be scared of Brexiters. It's not co-incidence that many have alluded to what happened to Jo Cox.

It's fucking disgusting.
 

f0rk

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Oct 25, 2017
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What are the odds that all of those firms all somehow have ties to the Tories?
These firms are pretty much politically neutral. At least one came out as against leaving before the referendum.

You think companies like Deloitte, Accenture, PwC and Bain would negotiate a contract where there's a risk of them not getting paid?

They'll have had those millions up front, and they probably get double if we leave and triple if we don't.
No, that's not how it works at all. They bill for work done, they'll be paid for the preparation stuff being done now but it's never up front
 

Ravensmash

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Oct 25, 2017
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Because certain sections of the media want MPs to be scared of Brexiters. It's not co-incidence that many have alluded to what happened to Jo Cox.

It's fucking disgusting.

I disagree.

Fully in support of exposing the racist morons harassing MP's - and the subsequent political affilitiations they have.

Edit: I should add that this doesn't mean I want them popping up on panels or anything.
 

Psychotext

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Oct 30, 2017
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No, that's not how it works at all. They bill for work done, they'll be paid for the preparation stuff being done now but it's never up front
Not entirely true. If they were smart they would have known that the government are desperate and sold them a block allocation of time ahead of when it was necessary.

We've done the same thing with clients when approaching busier parts of the year. Reserve our hours now, or risk not getting us at all.


Then you've not been paying attention. The implicit threat is clear. Go against the will of the people, risk the consequences.
 

Ravensmash

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Not entirely true. If they were smart they would have known that the government are desperate and sold them a block allocation of time ahead of when it was necessary.

We've done the same thing with clients when approaching busier parts of the year. Reserve our hours now, or risk not getting us at all.



Then you've not been paying attention. The implicit threat is clear. Go against the will of the people, risk the consequences.

I'm not sure we're coming at this from the same angle.
 

Psychotext

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Oct 30, 2017
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I'm not talking about that fuckwit, or others that have been identified over the last few days. I'm talking about the constant media coverage since the vote.
 
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