This has done the opposite though, where even the former Labour MPs won't vote no confidence
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Agreed, but I was also thinking of the party left behind, less of a support group for remaining people worried about no deal, and Soubry etc are no longer rebels but independent MPs she doesn't have to manage.
just started listening to this and the phrase "some of our favourite Tories" should be in no-one's vocabulary if you even aspire to progressive values
I've yet to see any positive positions from them, the only notable positions they've set out are
- the class system is good actually
- austerity was good actually
so forgive me for not wanting to cheer that on. And that's even ignoring the party using anti semetism as a weapon to wield being racist on television within 2 hours of their announcement. And us having no idea where their funding is coming from. That a party this flimsy, with the days they've had already, is getting uncritically fawned over has me really down, to be blunt.
And the guest this week is a Thatcher stan who literally jokes about wanking over Thatcher
I'm out lads
I'm out lads
Yeah its just means they are all abandoning ship before the crash, no deal is extremely likely.
Excuse my American ignorance, but the fear of violence isn't from an imaginary EU army, but from NI militants, right?
Sure, but somewhat missing the point... who the fuck would deal with us on the world stage if we're not willing to stand by our commitments?
I swear these fucks still think its the 1700s and we're some sort of world power to be feared.
Oh, there will always be people willing to deal with us. They'll just demand increasingly lopsided deals as we make ourselves less palatable as a partner.
Thanks, now I understand the context here.
It's important to understand that Conservative leaders and milieus are infinitely more concerned about imaginary EU armies than a return to the troubles.
They never really cared about Northern Ireland. The region being deep in shit again would be a return to the natural state of things.
I'm not disagreeing with any of that, they are all to varying degrees terrible.
But not first and foremost brexit related.
Having a new group of MPs that can (and hopefully) will be even more vocally anti brexit and more importantly draw some media attention is a good thing.
The prominent Greek MEP, Stelios Koulouglou, told the Guardian:
Everyone in the [EU] negotiating team is completely fed up with May. They feel she doesn't have a clear plan, she changes constantly and instead of being serious, is playing cheap political games.
I didn't realise it was going so well.
I might have to order one of those Brexit freezers that are all the rage these days.
Everyone in the [EU] negotiating team is completely fed up with May. They feel she doesn't have a clear plan, she changes constantly and instead of being serious, is playing cheap political games.
I didn't realise it was going so well.
I might have to order one of those Brexit freezers that are all the rage these days.
Why would the EU invade? They'll just instigate border checks in Ireland or tariffs in response to something like this.
And good luck holding onto any of their other trade partners if they do shit like this.
How would the Irish border work because I presume the EU or the UK doesn't want to be the one to build it because you know how headlines will go, the UK is probably counting on the EU to do it even though it's the UK's fault. We don't want a border, well you have to, we won't build it, we won't either, so there. Is it going to be that pathetic from the UK?
Ahhh, just a lick of paint on the old border buildings and it'll be fine.
I can heartily recommend the 315l one I went for. Maybe just get a generator to go with it, just in case. :D
Basically what they're betting is that the EU won't do anything to prevent the UK smuggling in huge amounts of goods via NI. The EU wouldn't stand for that, and obviously could implement custom checks on their side of the border no matter what the UK want to do. I don't think EIRE would blame the EU for this should that happen, as the EU has worked really closely with them to avoid custom checks.
It's crazy.
Imagine taking this kind of stance publically, while simultaneously going to other countries to make trade deals. What's to stop those other countries saying, hold on a minute, how can we trust you?
You can use it as an air raid shelter if things go really bad
Britains are gonna destroy the economy of Ireland as well but this kind of blackmailing won't work. It will just Isolate the UK even further. Brexiteers have only Trump on their side and he will leave the White House eventually.
There's something about Syriza MPs telling the UK to stop fucking around that makes me want to curl and crylaugh into sleep.
Who needs a EU army when you can just use your economic dominance to force someone to return back to the table.
May will come begging for any deal she can get after two weeks of no deal.
Yup. Hearing Tsipras urging May to stop playing games made be chuckle.
I should learn to drive a bus and fill it with people from the jungle in France, take the ferry to Ireland and drop them off at the boarder. The UK will be whistling a different tune after a few bus loads.
Also technically its not an Irish Boarder it's an English boarder on the island of Ireland. The Irish never wanted it nor did they build it.
Also technically its not an Irish Boarder it's an English boarder on the island of Ireland. The Irish never wanted it nor did they build it.
This wouldn't work because Ireland is not part of Schengen area. You'd be stopped at the port before boarding in theory.
In other news I spied this on The Independent: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...s-power-outs-emergency-planning-a8778421.html
Hmmm...Practice eating Dog food. Yum!
May has convinced herself she's in a game of chicken that she can't lose.
In her mind, Either the EU blinks and caves on the backstop, meaning Parliament will pass her deal.
Or the EU doesn't blink and, faced with the prospect of no deal, Parliament blinks and in a panic passes her deal to avoid it.
In her mind, Either the EU blinks and caves on the backstop, meaning Parliament will pass her deal.
Or the EU doesn't blink and, faced with the prospect of no deal, Parliament blinks and in a panic passes her deal to avoid it.
What about option #3, where she's not the only one playing chicken like that?
Right, like here's how that process continues:
3) The UK tries to export to the EU after voiding the backstop.
4) EU blocks the goods in the ports, tells them to turn around.
5) UK says "you and what army"
6) US digs out the Suez playbook, tells the UK if they use any force whatsoever, the US will obliterate them in the Channel (or at least give cover for Spain/France/etc... to sink the goods in the Channel).
7) UK immediately acquiesces to any formerly agreed backstop.
I still think her deal passes before or after the leave date.
The real chaos will begin when westminster realizes it signed up to follow EU law without a say during the transition.
And of course he's a leaver.
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So many people don't know/forgot/repress that the real negotiation between EU and UK will start after March 29. Westminster eating itself over the goddamn Withdrawal Agreement for two years straight gives so much confidence in the actual negotiations that will follow. Right?
I tried to explain that to someone earlier when they were complaining about the backstop. Completely blank look on their face. lol
Corbyn inching closer to second referendum
It's nice and all, but the time for inching is over, does anyone just get on with it anymore.
It's nice and all, but the time for inching is over, does anyone just get on with it anymore.
Right! The Guardian Brexitcast the other week also highlighted that a parliamentary majority is not just required for the 'meaningful vote' but a following Act as well, which will highlight (as someone just mentioned) the actual loss of sovereignty in the transition period (as opposed to the present gammon's perceived loss) as well as bunch of other probably unforeseen issues that Parliament will have to agree on.
The example given was the original vote in '75 that required dozens of pieces of legislation to fully enact. May will need a majority for a similar legislative program. She's currently on -200...
How will the army get body armour if we had PR?
Also, we already had a referendum, we can't have another...
I wonder if a lot of Tories are secretly wanting the troubles to re-ignite. They're probably thinking that a good bit of sectarian terrorism will do wonders for their popularity compared to peacenik terrorist-sympathiser Corbyn. After all, George Bush was a laughing stock with low popularity until 911 saved him. I hope I'm being overly cynical.
I expect we'll get amendments soon, to allow May's deal to pass with the rider that parliament gets votes on single market and customs union access during the negotiations.
I don't recall Barnier being that blunt. I'm wondering if he was told to put some extra pressure/prepare for the worst.
Probably just fed up being used by May to look as though she's doing something, it's pretty shitty behaviour for a PM at home and abroad.
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