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BREXIT |OT| A minister always pays his debts

Aug 4, 2018
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I honestly think that currently, there's more chance of a GE than another ref.
I don't know about that. According to Guardian even Corbyn and his inner circle think a ref is more likely than a GE now. Apparently the numbers aren't quite there to force another GE. And its assumed trying to force a GE is more likely to fail than pass.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I think the Gov wants to be defeated. In the end that’s the best ending story for them, they don’t want their own deal, for which any bad impacts would be blamed on them. Leaving because parliament didn’t let them do their thing is assuming the role of the victim, so that in the end they can always say their deal would have been better.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I think the Gov wants to be defeated. In the end that’s the best ending story for them, they don’t want their own deal, for which any bad impacts would be blamed on them. Leaving because parliament didn’t let them do their thing is assuming the role of the victim, so that in the end they can always say their deal would have been better.
Yeah, same thing with Boris, Mogg, Gov. It would have been hard but amazing in the end if we took the chance but parliament wasn't willing to take leap into the fields of wheat, we will never know how greater great Britain could have been. /puke
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I like that people in his own party are just as sick of his shit as everyone else. Between that, Rees-Mogg's takeover plan failing because he's got no friends AND May being a walking disaster they really are a pathetic lot.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Oct 30, 2017
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She's a waste of space, like most of the BBC seems to be on Brexit.

With regard to the Brexit legal advice, is the attorney general known for being a Brexiter? I'm wondering if it could have coloured his language (see vassal state etc).

Edit - Yes, apparently he is.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Well, this is interesting Laura Kussenberg was told that May wanted the Grieve amendment all along, as no calls from whip over the amendment, yet constant calls over contempt vote
Well the Grieve amendment boxes in the Hard Brexit ERG since it gives parliament a say in what happens going forward if the vote is lost.

If there really is no other deal to be made I can see a referendum between May's deal and Remain. The ERG would back May over staying so as far as getting her deal through it was good for her. But also good for avoiding a No Deal Brexit.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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That just sounds like they are pretending to be in control of the situation, the government had to concentrate on battles they think they can win. Parliament is not with her on Brexit, even May must realise that by now.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The amendment only matters is May is to renegotiate the deal with the EU. If the deal is final there is nothing for Parliament to decide. The true devilishness of it though is that parliament can turn around and say that if May can't bring back a deal Brexit is cancelled.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Very curious to see the legal advice "We need to start hiring a bunch more of everything to keep things working, we also need to stock pile all the things, and as a side note we need to make it so all universities do nothing but train lawyers for the next decade, because we will need every single lawyer we can get our hands on since if we carry forward we are going to get sued into oblivion by every company and or country that has ever invested in us."

Tomorrow's papers are brutal on May.
Surprised they didn't just went with the obvious "Mayday".
 
Oct 31, 2018
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Morgan and Chipripati on radio this morning

Definitely no further referendum, but now when vote fails we will be directing Gov to do a Norway type deal, which still honours the Brexit vote

Morgan went on to say you can still control immigration through Norway model, Chipripati said you can still control trade deals using Norway model
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Is Kuenssberg really trying to spin yesterday as a good thing for the Tories?!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46449498
She's not wrong in the idea that the Grieve amendment might make a few Brexiteers think that May's deal is the hardest they'll get, but I'd be surprised if more than a handful actually changed their mind, given that that was the case before Grieve's amendment.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So is Norway basically full EU membership (IE, free movement etc), but without any say in the rules?
It's shit compared to what we have now, but I could live with it.
More or less. Norway is in the single market, in Schengen, under the ECJ, in a few EU programmes but doesn't have any voting rights and does all its international trade deals through the EU (so no independent trade policy). Norway is outside CAP and CFP, though, so we'd have some freedom there.

It's completely pointless and worse than what we have now, but I think some are looking at it as a way to discharge the referendum mandate with minimal damage, since we would technically have left the European Union.

I'd prefer remaining but I'd take that over the other options.
 
Oct 31, 2018
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So is Norway basically full EU membership (IE, free movement etc), but without any say in the rules?

It's shit compared to what we have now, but I could live with it.
Yes, and it is Parliaments way out, you will hear a big shift now since the Grieve amendment, all those clambering for a second vote will go quiet now. They have been given a get out

The only issue is will the EU accept it (can’t see why not) May wins as she gets to use this against Labour for the next millennium

My issue is we are about to give up a seat at the top table to join a Norway model which removes all of our priveliges and we gain nothing
 
Oct 31, 2018
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More or less. Norway is in the single market, in Schengen, under the ECJ, in a few EU programmes but doesn't have any voting rights and does all its international trade deals through the EU (so no independent trade policy). Norway is outside CAP and CFP, though, so we'd have some freedom there.

It's completely pointless and worse than what we have now, but I think some are looking at it as a way to discharge the referendum mandate with minimal damage, since we would technically have left the European Union.

I'd prefer remaining but I'd take that over the other options.
Exactly, May has weaponised the Brexit vote calling anyone a democracy destroyer who votes against her deal, Parliament can now say ‘we honoured the referendum’
 
Oct 27, 2017
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My issue is we are about to give up a seat at the top table to join a Norway model which removes all of our priveliges and we gain nothing
That's a good thing when your influence has been as toxic as Britain's has been for some time now. The UK can always re-join as a full member when May's generation is cold in the ground and sane millennials have taken over.