If such an amendment ever got put to vote I wouldn't call it an unsafe bet to say that both the Tories and Labour face a 3 line whip to vote against it.
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First thing I think about when I think about dissident republicans is their love for freedom of movement and the single market...
It's nothing to do with Brexit.
Yeah, those dissident Republicans really have no love for the lack of a meaningful border between the South and the North, and they certainly don't love the gradual and natural integration across the border making a united Ireland more likely by the day.
Dissident Republicans have no ability to think long term strategically, and don't know any method other than terror to advance their aims. Politics is completely beyond them, which is why absolutely none of them have ever had successful careers as politicians pushing for closer European integration as a means for bringing a united Ireland closer to reality.
Garbage hot takes are only for Twitter.
The open border and freedom of movement have made the two countries so closely entwined that's it's unification in all but name.
It's not as if the concerns over potential unrest in Northern (and just generally) Ireland are one of the chief reasons in why the issue of the border - and in actual legislation, the backstop - has been one of the sticking points in how we leave the EU. Nope, not at all.
I'll not take lectures from people in GB who fundamentally don't get Ireland. I'm from Derry so slightly better qualified to talk about why this happened.
https://twitter.com/eiresaoradh/status/1086730732817530880?s=21
This isn't because of Brexit. If you think it is you probably think the troubles was a religious conflict.
https://twitter.com/eiresaoradh/status/1086730732817530880?s=21
This isn't because of Brexit. If you think it is you probably think the troubles was a religious conflict.
I had to do an elective class in the 80s to learn about the troubles growing up in England. I imagine it's even worse these days.
Like I think most people still think there was a lack of food during the potato famine.
I was only corrected on this a few years ago, so I'd say you're right here
Fair enough, this incident appears to be performed by proper nutters.
See, that narrows the strain of 'dissident republican' somewhat, and one can make the argument that they would have carried out this attack anyway - so fair enough. That said, we are still in a context where English rule is overriding Irish sentiment (more than usual anyway), and I still would not be surprised to see incidents like this influenced by that.
Also yes, I very much learned the Troubles weren't as simple as Catholic/Protestant divisions. Then again, part of the family were on the wrong side of things back in the 1920s, so some of that broader perspective has probably bled through. That and for some reason I remember reading, of all things, a romance novel set against that backdrop? Was weird.
I imagine there's a few, but I read one in school (England) called 'Across the Barricade' or something like that.
That sounds like it? It was something I stumbled across in primary school - any actual study of the Troubles came in secondary school (and mostly in relation to the changing status quo of the UK over the 20th century).
They are. This is a few of the other things they've done over the last few years
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32490580
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-35813224
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-20296702
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ronan_Kerr
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26229321
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-26636763
https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/...-in-latest-bid-to-murder-police-30752670.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-32579719
There was a play I took that dealt with the imperialism in ireland and had an element of that. Wonder if that's what you read?
It's called Translations by Brian Friel.
Nah, it was modern and urban (if a few decades out). Got me curious though so I'll give it a look.
And yeah, those nutbags are more active than I'd have suspected. Sorry for the derail.
https://www./money/experts/article-6610789/How-guard-wealth-Comrade-Corbyn.html
Amazing article here.
Just, like, wow..
Let's not beat around the bush, it will be nothing but payback time for a duo who in the past have talked about introducing a tax on family assets, raising taxes on capital gains, squeezing the 'rich' and redistributing wealth to give the younger generation a better deal.
Amazing article here.
Just, like, wow..
Let's not beat around the bush, it will be nothing but payback time for a duo who in the past have talked about introducing a tax on family assets, raising taxes on capital gains, squeezing the 'rich' and redistributing wealth to give the younger generation a better deal.
Not to put aside the awful shit that dissident republicans do, there's still the fact that the DUP's stance on loyalist paramilitaries is rarely if ever touched upon by the British government or tabloids. Every year they have those fucking awful marches and eco-terrorist bornfire burnings of tyres because of a fight that happened over 300 years ago. All across NI there are places that are fuelled by drugs and gang violence and a lot of that is loyalist. The fact that our government is propped up by a party that has close, if unspoken ties to loyalism is sickening too.
Here's a good article on that: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-on-paramilitary-groups-brought-into-question
And this too:
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An interesting comparison in the NYT between Brexit and the partition of India...
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/sunday/brexit-ireland-empire.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/sunday/brexit-ireland-empire.html
So, May's plan is to ditch the Irish Backstop to appease Brexit rebels? Nice.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brex...backstop-to-win-over-brexit-rebels/ar-BBSvDYo
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brex...backstop-to-win-over-brexit-rebels/ar-BBSvDYo
The U.K. is like that slimy boy you're seeing who is trying to talk you into sleeping with him despite all your natural instincts telling you to say no.
And that's what you say, yet it tries to belittle and bully you into thinking that you'll never be as good as you are with them. So you keep saying no, and they eventually they start calling you ugly. They start calling you fat, or threaten to start to picking away at your personal security (GFA) if you don't give them what they want. But you've got your 27 friends to back you up, so you say no and call it out. Instead they threaten to make things difficult for you, claiming they'll be fine without you or any future relationship.
The U.K. is an abusive ex.
And that's what you say, yet it tries to belittle and bully you into thinking that you'll never be as good as you are with them. So you keep saying no, and they eventually they start calling you ugly. They start calling you fat, or threaten to start to picking away at your personal security (GFA) if you don't give them what they want. But you've got your 27 friends to back you up, so you say no and call it out. Instead they threaten to make things difficult for you, claiming they'll be fine without you or any future relationship.
The U.K. is an abusive ex.
It seems like more posturing to be frank. They can't possibly keep coming up with "new" things to try and be so naive as to think they're feasible when ANYONE with even the smallest amount of knowledge about this situation (I'm using myself as the yardstick here) can see it's not going to be acceptable to basically everyone.
We've tried (kind of) twice in the last few weeks. :(
EDIT: According to this Guardian article, there's talk of Labour finally putting something more concrete together with respect to their version of Brexit. Not backing a second referendum (and as much as I want to trust a second referendum to crush this issue once and for all via a huge remain majority), but:
... nothing new in there but perhaps a more consistent, driven approach from the party?
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Are they willing to accept keeping free movement to get that though? Because that's the price.
(I very much hope the answer is yes)
I keep forgetting that's an actual red line for them as well. :(
Ugh.
Still, there is this about an appearance Kier Starmer made over the weekend:
Let's hope FoM is one of the possible compromises (even if it's basically a death-knell for support for a huge chunk of Brexit supporters).
Although...
... perhaps we're further away from some kind of cohesive position from Labour than I'd hoped.
Ugh.
Still, there is this about an appearance Kier Starmer made over the weekend:
Let's hope FoM is one of the possible compromises (even if it's basically a death-knell for support for a huge chunk of Brexit supporters).
Although...
... perhaps we're further away from some kind of cohesive position from Labour than I'd hoped.
So basically the new plan is,
May announces in Parliament that she's ditching the Irish backstop altogether in an attempt to get her deal through a vote on January 29th, but then when the EU says no because that's not the agreement they signed then May and the Tories can go full in on blaming the EU for not honouring their agreement and so push on with No Deal.
May announces in Parliament that she's ditching the Irish backstop altogether in an attempt to get her deal through a vote on January 29th, but then when the EU says no because that's not the agreement they signed then May and the Tories can go full in on blaming the EU for not honouring their agreement and so push on with No Deal.
That plan is far too complex and long-term for our current Prime Minister
at this point the only thing keeping me from being an anxious wreck is somehow thinking that the worse it gets with the UK, the more likely Scottish Independence will become. But I also have to keep myself from thinking about the details of that too much, otherwise a whole different layer of anxiety descends down on me.
What I just really want to say is fuck the UK. Really, just fuck you guys. You messed it up. Austerity, Windrush, Brexit. And somehow this still warranted a "it'll be fine" handwave until very very very recently. Fuck you guys.
(Obviously not you lovely ERA people, unless you are middle class and up, and have cultural or political influence, then fuck you, of course)
What I just really want to say is fuck the UK. Really, just fuck you guys. You messed it up. Austerity, Windrush, Brexit. And somehow this still warranted a "it'll be fine" handwave until very very very recently. Fuck you guys.
(Obviously not you lovely ERA people, unless you are middle class and up, and have cultural or political influence, then fuck you, of course)
May's strat now is to reiterate that her deal is the only one on the table and let Parliament sort itself out.
Either she's forced into something by Parliament, ending Brexit hell, or she wins out vs Parliament and gets her deal through because No Deal is just that bad.
In reality, a split in the Tories is now inevitable.
Either she's forced into something by Parliament, ending Brexit hell, or she wins out vs Parliament and gets her deal through because No Deal is just that bad.
In reality, a split in the Tories is now inevitable.
I am of the belief now that Brexit should never have just been a Tory "project" it should have been a cross party discussion/project from the moment the result landed as to working towards the end goal.
Not just a Brexit minister, but a proper working relationship between everyone in Parliament that shelves party support for the best interest of the Country, because that's actually what they are supposed to be doing isn't it? You know, looking after the best interests of the country.
Not just a Brexit minister, but a proper working relationship between everyone in Parliament that shelves party support for the best interest of the Country, because that's actually what they are supposed to be doing isn't it? You know, looking after the best interests of the country.
If anyone in government actually wanted Brexit (rather than just the support of Brexit voters), we'd have had a lot of indicative votes to determine the support for various red lines, and negotiate a deal on that basis. Both parties would drop the whip for these non-binding votes to get a clear picture of what parliament wants (or at least what it might acquiesce to).
It was always obvious that the GE result meant that no deal can ever pass unless it has unanimous Tory/DUP support or the opposition support it.
We're in the ridiculous situation where no-one even knows what sort of Brexit would be accepted by parliament. Is FoM a dealbreaker? Is CJEU regulatory oversight a dealbreaker? Do we need a customs union or does parliament think it can negotiate better deals? What The Fuck Do We Even Want!?
May's strategy has been to do try and bully her own party into submission and defend herself against leadership challenges. It's worked to keep her as leader, but failed miserably to deliver Brexit. Her total antipathy towards anyone non-Tory and especially Corbyn has led her into this mess and it's too late to fix it now.
It was always obvious that the GE result meant that no deal can ever pass unless it has unanimous Tory/DUP support or the opposition support it.
We're in the ridiculous situation where no-one even knows what sort of Brexit would be accepted by parliament. Is FoM a dealbreaker? Is CJEU regulatory oversight a dealbreaker? Do we need a customs union or does parliament think it can negotiate better deals? What The Fuck Do We Even Want!?
May's strategy has been to do try and bully her own party into submission and defend herself against leadership challenges. It's worked to keep her as leader, but failed miserably to deliver Brexit. Her total antipathy towards anyone non-Tory and especially Corbyn has led her into this mess and it's too late to fix it now.
Bit of a non-story, but some level of cross-party talks are resuming today.
Feels a bit empty considering the article also makes clear that:
Wonder if the talks are just laying the groundwork for buck passing when everything goes tits up.
Feels a bit empty considering the article also makes clear that:
Wonder if the talks are just laying the groundwork for buck passing when everything goes tits up.
Apparently this https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2019/05/inside-europe-10-years-of-turmoil
has the following in:
has the following in:
Announcing the scrapping of the £65 settlement fee for EU nationals is SURELY going to get more MP's onside, right?
Hahaha.
Hahaha.
but there'll be civil unrest in the form of gammons pissing and moaning over a pint or 2 down their local free house. Can't have that sort of dissent.
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