BREXIT |OT| A minister always pays his debts
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One should never support or defend the head of a party just because he leads the party you are always voting for.
If the leader is shit, he or she should be ditched, even if there are no immediate "better" candidates.
Schröder killed the SPD in Germany with his center-right policies, hundreds of thousands of voters turned their back on the party and still won't vote for the SPD over a decade later.
The current SPD leadership is trying to kill or change the laws that they, as a party under Schröder, created in the early 2000's, helplessly trying to safe their relevance and place as the second largest party in Germany. Currently, they will be lucky if they are the 3rd largest party in the next 5 years.
If the leader is shit, he or she should be ditched, even if there are no immediate "better" candidates.
Schröder killed the SPD in Germany with his center-right policies, hundreds of thousands of voters turned their back on the party and still won't vote for the SPD over a decade later.
The current SPD leadership is trying to kill or change the laws that they, as a party under Schröder, created in the early 2000's, helplessly trying to safe their relevance and place as the second largest party in Germany. Currently, they will be lucky if they are the 3rd largest party in the next 5 years.
I don't think we can apply logic to what the government are doing. They're all so invested in magic thinking at this point. You'd think given any possible scenario that they'd be ramping up SOMETHING right now. Like, if it was going to be a delay, you'd think there'd be something visible happening along those lines too.
I think May and a lot of people, find the dangers so hard to even think about, they're just not thinking about them.
People do this stuff all the time when deadlines are approaching, or when they're getting deeper and deeper in debt or what have you.
I think May and a lot of people, find the dangers so hard to even think about, they're just not thinking about them.
People do this stuff all the time when deadlines are approaching, or when they're getting deeper and deeper in debt or what have you.
This, so much this, as someone looking from the outside the UK makes absolutely no sense what so ever right now, for comparison I totally get what is happening in the US, the GOP is a party made of absolutely crazy people, they have been going there a while, Trump is a crazy person, so you get stupid crazy stuff all the time, it makes sense.
With the UK though, sure David Cameron enjoyed his pork pie a little too much, but he wasn't crazy, Theresa May might be a bit of a 1984 nutter and generally incompetent but she is also not crazy, Jeremy Corbyn is also not crazy, yet the end result so far seems almost like the country is being run by the more extreme crazy elements despite them not actually holding power, worst of all most people in charge seem to be giving very little fucks about the whole thing, it just makes no sense, it is like the country has collectively decided to test trial massive stupidity to see how it goes.
With the UK though, sure David Cameron enjoyed his pork pie a little too much, but he wasn't crazy, Theresa May might be a bit of a 1984 nutter and generally incompetent but she is also not crazy, Jeremy Corbyn is also not crazy, yet the end result so far seems almost like the country is being run by the more extreme crazy elements despite them not actually holding power, worst of all most people in charge seem to be giving very little fucks about the whole thing, it just makes no sense, it is like the country has collectively decided to test trial massive stupidity to see how it goes.
YouGov are at it again. Not only are the Tories 7pts ahead in their model (and nobody else's) but now they'd totally win a majority.
You'd almost think there was a snap election coming what with all the front page stories and polling 🤔
Luckily there's no major political event that could redefine the entire countty in a few weeks.
You'd almost think there was a snap election coming what with all the front page stories and polling 🤔
Luckily there's no major political event that could redefine the entire countty in a few weeks.
Labour doesn’t need to even get larger than the Tories. As long as they can get the Tories down to around 290 seats, it means the Tories can’t bribe the DUP to hold a majority and there would be enough seats to form a coalition of chaos between LD, SNP and Labour. Now obviously they would need to agree on a Brexit policy which should be Remain.
What I think will happen is a piloted 'hard brexit'.
They will let the people taste the bitter pill for a few weeks and then after chaos ensures and people are scared enough they will sign a deal with EU to rejoin.
It would be a win win scenario for both the tories (they could say that they delivered on the brexit referendum and then course correct a wrong decision caused by brexiteers) and EU (which will have an exemplary case for everyone that think leaving EU is a good idea).
They will let the people taste the bitter pill for a few weeks and then after chaos ensures and people are scared enough they will sign a deal with EU to rejoin.
It would be a win win scenario for both the tories (they could say that they delivered on the brexit referendum and then course correct a wrong decision caused by brexiteers) and EU (which will have an exemplary case for everyone that think leaving EU is a good idea).
The stupidest thing about the current predicament is that the UK is at a fingertip's reach from a deal. A crappy deal, but a deal that would still be a rotund improvement over No Breaks Brexit.
The Lehman Brothers analogy is starting to become scarily apt. "We are too big to fail, they'll bend over". "Too many smart people in the room, somebody will figure out something".
The Lehman Brothers analogy is starting to become scarily apt. "We are too big to fail, they'll bend over". "Too many smart people in the room, somebody will figure out something".
If you are REALLY serious about it, prioritize canned and freeze dried food. They last forever (much longer than their declared "best before" and even expiration dates) and are obviously shelf-stable.
Also, I cannot believe I'm talking about stockpiling food in a first world nation with no propensity to natural disasters. But here we are. The chances of folks needing to go full prepper are kind of small, but unmanaged No Deal could be so potentially bad that this particular topic is kind of losing its taboo.
After all, it only takes a shortage on a certain product to cause severe disruptions (plural) down the chain.
Also, I cannot believe I'm talking about stockpiling food in a first world nation with no propensity to natural disasters. But here we are. The chances of folks needing to go full prepper are kind of small, but unmanaged No Deal could be so potentially bad that this particular topic is kind of losing its taboo.
After all, it only takes a shortage on a certain product to cause severe disruptions (plural) down the chain.
I mean, I don't believe it's going to be anywhere close to Venezuela levels of scarcity, but rural areas could be hit pretty badly if trade becomes an unsolvable mess for the next few months.
At very least it makes sense to stockpile a certain amount food just in case prices skyrocket.
This conversation feels stupid.
At very least it makes sense to stockpile a certain amount food just in case prices skyrocket.
This conversation feels stupid.
Maybe not rejoin but to struck a deal (not very favourable to UK).
If that scenario really happen the gain for the the 'remainers' tories would be that they could say they followed the people mandate to do a brexit but that the consequences were so severe that they had to somewhat put a patch and at the same time they could put the blame on the hardest 'leavers' supporters (both within the Tory party and other parties) by stating they lied to people on the severe pain to the nation brexit would cause.
EU would gain that it would be a strong example of how , despite all the issues, the EU is overall beneficial and it's better to side with it (in May there are the EU parliament elections and that could be used as a weapon against the populist movements).
An hard brexit is a lose-lose proposition for both UK and EU but it could be useful for political means if it is short lived.
If that scenario really happen the gain for the the 'remainers' tories would be that they could say they followed the people mandate to do a brexit but that the consequences were so severe that they had to somewhat put a patch and at the same time they could put the blame on the hardest 'leavers' supporters (both within the Tory party and other parties) by stating they lied to people on the severe pain to the nation brexit would cause.
EU would gain that it would be a strong example of how , despite all the issues, the EU is overall beneficial and it's better to side with it (in May there are the EU parliament elections and that could be used as a weapon against the populist movements).
An hard brexit is a lose-lose proposition for both UK and EU but it could be useful for political means if it is short lived.
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We started "stockpiling" a couple weeks ago - just stuff like flour, pasta, cereals and tinned food. Live in a flat so freezer space isn't something we have a huge amount of
It will be pretty fucking grim if that ends up being our diet tbh, but at least it's there
Most of the people who voted Leave will believe in it until they die. They won't take any blame for it being a disaster, and immigrants and/or the EU will be blamed for the huge drop in everyone-but-the-wealthy's living standards. This won't happen
Yep, once we are out that's it. I can see a future where voters would be willing to take back FoM if/when things get really bad in the UK, but can't see them accepting a deal where the UK doesn't get all the opt-outs the UK had managed to negotiate
It will be pretty fucking grim if that ends up being our diet tbh, but at least it's there
Most of the people who voted Leave will believe in it until they die. They won't take any blame for it being a disaster, and immigrants and/or the EU will be blamed for the huge drop in everyone-but-the-wealthy's living standards. This won't happen
Yep, once we are out that's it. I can see a future where voters would be willing to take back FoM if/when things get really bad in the UK, but can't see them accepting a deal where the UK doesn't get all the opt-outs the UK had managed to negotiate
No tariffs would mean that the UK's highly specialized industries would be nuked right away and replaced by EU, American and Chinese imports.
Good news: no food shortages.
Bad news: you just kindly handed out your economy to foreign powers and set yourself with a high potential for health disasters (read: some industrious fuck decides to sell denatured oil as cooking oil, which has happened before). You are now Aliexpress' fiefdom.
The potential ramifications of Blind Brexit are so insane it instantly veers into highly speculative disaster pornography.
Good news: no food shortages.
Bad news: you just kindly handed out your economy to foreign powers and set yourself with a high potential for health disasters (read: some industrious fuck decides to sell denatured oil as cooking oil, which has happened before). You are now Aliexpress' fiefdom.
The potential ramifications of Blind Brexit are so insane it instantly veers into highly speculative disaster pornography.