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Haha, exactly. What a meaningless poll. Without a new centre ground party actually existing with prospective candidates and clear policies on a range of matters (and not just on brexit as the vast majority are not single issue voters) it really doesn't tell us anything. And given the public have totally rejected the main centrist party the Lib Dems the past two elections and Labour did worse in its more centrist guise in the two previous pre-2017 general elections it's just absurd that people continue to claim there is a clamour for a new centrist party anyway. Voters aren't interested.
Well they did it already over the car industry, blaming it on diesel and emission tests, as if already having problems wouldn't be compounded by erecting trade barriers.
I can see why people are worried that we aren't going to learn anything if Brexit goes badly, it will always be something else that can be blamed.
Yep. I'd agree with you there. Brexit may not put these airlines to the point of no return, but it will have a fatal effect, especially with the effect of the value of the pound.
I just read that FlyBe may have to shut too if this takeover plan involving Virgin doesn't come to fruition. It seems like the streamlined business model of the smaller carriers cannot handle the current uncertainty. While the likes of shitty RyanAir seem to be able to cope...
Just a little drop of uncertainty could tank a corporation on life-support.
Even if they were in deep shit before Brexit, the outlook and uncertainty with Brexit would make finding investors more difficult. Without Brexit, they would maybe have found some risk-taking investors, helping them stay afloat. Maybe the owners themselves didn't believe in a future for their company because of Brexit and pulled the rug. Some will probably have easier business prospectives elsewhere.
Even if they were in deep shit before Brexit, the outlook and uncertainty with Brexit would make finding investors more difficult. Without Brexit, they would maybe have found some risk-taking investors, helping them stay afloat. Maybe the owners themselves didn't believe in a future for their company because of Brexit and pulled the rug. Some will probably have easier business prospectives elsewhere.
Would the Greens qualify for that? I know they're anti-Brexit (Or at least pro People's Vote) but not sure about nationalising railways.
Speaking of second referendum I got the email about the march which is scheduled to take place a few days before Brexit officially happens, I'll definitely go but I don't think the timing quite works due to the fact it'll be too late to do anything at that time.
Still, if Brexit goes ahead you can bet there will be a lot more protests before the year is over.
If Flybe winds up instead of selling to Virgin then you're going to see the south coast take a massive hit. Southampton airport especially
Well, it depends on what they intend to do, but absolutely, Flybe is huge for Southampton airport - my boss flies out of there on a constant basis - lets hope they just push to get capital in there and it be a domestic rebrand or something.
Even primary school children know you need to cause disruption to have any impact. Wandering through central London on a pre-approved route on a Saturday with some shitty signs about tea, maybe a rude word about Boris Johnson isn't going to do anything.
Hiding wealth from the country should mean an automatic loss of titles, being knighted should mean you give everything to make the country better, whether that's money, or public service.
That's if we aren't going to scrap the stupid honours system altogether, it should mean something.
But right wingers and both-sides-ers on the internet told me blocking traffic was the worst sin a man can commit and would instantly turn the general population against your cause
Shame that centrists are feeling politically 'wronged' for the first time with Brexit, or they might have achieved something more than getting Chuka a nice think tank job for the next decade.
Meanwhile, Spain has entered its own election cycle. And, like clockwork...
I love that the RN deployed an inflatable boat and a launch to shoo off a warship. I'm sure the Spanish were suitably impressed by this demonstration of naval might. (Obviously neither side was interested in an escalation, but it still amuses me)guardian said:
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
Britons never, never, never shall be slaves.
Apparently there's a press conference at 10am where 5+/- Labour MPs are announcing they are leaving / introducing their new party.
itshappening.gif I guess? I can only assume that the result of this is to turn their seats blue at the next election but I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
itshappening.gif I guess? I can only assume that the result of this is to turn their seats blue at the next election but I'd be happy to be proved wrong.
While I don't necessarily agree with those leaving, it really is testament to the worst parts of our FPTP system that MPs are essentially bound to the major parties as splitting off or joining a smaller party is a death sentence at the next election 90% of the time.
It's a big part of the reason why "Party before Country" is so prevalent.
I can only see this working to ultimately work against all of us who want to see a leftist or more socially-conscious government, sadly.
You think?
I can see these few getting wiped out next election and more left leaning MP's elected in their place
I go on holiday for two weeks, come back, and nothinghaschanged.gif
in 40 days time, if nothing else happens, this country goes over the cliff. Yet two weeks can pass without any meaningful change. Madness.
If they had any balls, or any principles, they would all trigger by-elections as part of resigning from Labour.
But they won't, because they know they would get beaten at the ballot box andconsigned to the dustbin of history endlessly rolled out by the BBC as a talking head for hire.
Fuck the lot of them, and roll on the next GE.
in 40 days time, if nothing else happens, this country goes over the cliff. Yet two weeks can pass without any meaningful change. Madness.
If they had any balls, or any principles, they would all trigger by-elections as part of resigning from Labour.
But they won't, because they know they would get beaten at the ballot box and
Fuck the lot of them, and roll on the next GE.
Always a good start when your announcement isn't even on time.
EDIT: Here we go. Six MPs. Chuka Umunna and Luciana Berger among them (who immediately fucks up).
EDIT: Here we go. Six MPs. Chuka Umunna and Luciana Berger among them (who immediately fucks up).
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Corbyn is massively unpopular within his own Parliamentary party and yet remains massively popular among voters.
What a mess.
What a mess.
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I'd question whether or not the latter part is true. He exceeded expectations at the last GE but ultimately still lost and his stance on Brexit since then won't have done him any favours amongst his young base.
Is he though? Even in my local area, which is about as Labour as you can get (Birkenhead), most think Corbyn is unelectable.
Regardless of these MPs leaving. It felt like that was a given at this point anyway.
The Independent Group's values according to Gavin Shuker:
- Britain is a great country
- Government should keep people safe
- "Not every problem in the world is created by the West"
- Work with other countries to solve shared problems
- Good public services come from strong economy
- Government is custodian of money from the public
- "Believe in the innate creativity of individuals"
- Government should remove barriers
- Strong democratic institutions of press, police, etc
- Britain is a great country
- Government should keep people safe
- "Not every problem in the world is created by the West"
- Work with other countries to solve shared problems
- Good public services come from strong economy
- Government is custodian of money from the public
- "Believe in the innate creativity of individuals"
- Government should remove barriers
- Strong democratic institutions of press, police, etc
Corbyn is a joke, never thought a labour leader would equal or surpass Michael Foots levels of unpopularity but it's happened.
What are you talking about? Look up recent polling on Corbyn and you'll see that he isn't 'massively' popular at all.
I mean, I would say that I wish we could just clone Caroline Lucas 649 times, but I think she would have objections to the prospect of human cloning.
The tories had the world at their feet at the beginning of the campaign, a mixture of a disastrous start to the Tories campaign and Corbyn coming across as a seemingly normal politician, and not the red menace helped.
I don't think he can win outright due to his baggage, but that doesn't mean I disagree with him over most issues.
You're rewriting history and you know it. Going into that election people were projecting a 100+ Tory majority.
To be fair both Corbyn and May are both scraping the bottom of the barrel in votes. Neither are popular or are offering anything different from the opposition on Brexit. This new party will possibly just give us another decade of Tory rule just like it did with Thatcher and the SDP/Labour split following Michael Foots election loss.
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