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BREXIT |OT| ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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If their point was to get a good for the UK then yes but Fox and the like will sell us out big time for themselves and that's easy.
I hope we remain, this is just showing how good the EU are, like then or loathe them, the big stick with some flowers wins.
Interesting from the Torygraph:
Not seen the express yet.
"Judith Woods - Misgendering shouldn't be a police matter."
It's not you fucking dolt.
(Sorry for the off-topic lol)
I think you are reading a little too far into it. They're saying anyone promoting No Deal without any alternative plan deserves a place in hell - rejecting Mays plan isn't doing this (well, unless you are the ERG), as any normal PM would realise their plan is unwinnable and try to renegotiate. Unfortunately we have May instead
You take Honda, I take that pharmaceutical company, Jimmy you can take that bank... it's like an open buffet.
That's bloody strange... compare this version of the front page on the BBC to the earlier one.
That's bloody strange... compare this version of the front page on the BBC to the earlier one.
They moved the old headline down, and bumped the part about Macron off completely.
While I don't believe we will see a no-deal now, as someone flying into Europe on the 15th April, I could have done without that 12th April deadline, I have to say!
The EU is willing to renegotiate if the conditions change. This is the best deal under the UK red lines. But give up a red line and you get a better deal because it doesn't threaten the EU integration anymore.
I sense new talking points being developed right now
Well, if that gives you pause, imagine trade negotiations under No Deal.
Well, if that gives you pause, imagine trade negotiations under No Deal.
The EU have completely undermined her and killed off the pathetic game of brinkmanship she intended to play with parliament as they have no faith in her delivering her deal. There is no majority in parliament for no deal and the EU have given parliament the time and options to completely take it off the table even if May is against it.
The prospect of a softer Brexit or a public vote have definitely increased with this new development. I've always felt there is probably a majority in parliament for something close to Labour's version of Brexit as long as the government doesn't whip against it. That could probably be implemented with the existing withdrawal agreement and a change to the political declaration and the EU would be open to it.
I'd much rather see that put to a public vote with remain on the ballot sheet but it is a much better outcome than no deal.
"Politicians asking important questions are so mean!"
Who is this Ian Martin? Another rich ass with money riding on crashing the UK?
Edit: Sorry. Not contributing much of anything other than venting my frustrations. 😩
Don't you dare chat shit about Lidl, mate
I'm more loyal to fucking Lidl than I am to being British.
Wrong. May still holds all the cards. It's just best not to reveal your hand early in negotiations.
Ian Dunt said something a few weeks ago about how the hard brexiteers were going to wind up wishing they'd compromised sooner, and I kinda didn't believe him at the time in my pessimism.
But now revoking A50 is now something being fully covered on mainstream media outlets, with politicians openly or quietly voicing their support - its a complete turnaround from even a week ago.
But the Crash Out Cult are already arguing that the EU27 are capitulating because we can hold No Deal over their heads.
Which could well be true. But if it is, what a fucking awful position to take.
"Ha ha! We can exploit the risk of fucking over businesses and destabilising the Northern Irish border to get what we want!"
These people have no idea how they are objectively the villains in this.
Which could well be true. But if it is, what a fucking awful position to take.
"Ha ha! We can exploit the risk of fucking over businesses and destabilising the Northern Irish border to get what we want!"
These people have no idea how they are objectively the villains in this.
Your venting contributes to the release of my anxieties as well, I think this space is safe for that type of post - and helpful.
I often think of Brexit as half the passengers on the titanic voting to plough full speed into the ice field and ignoring all warnings to the contrary, so that's quite fitting.
Then when there's an iceberg actually sighted dead ahead on its course, the captain refusing to listen to those asking for a revote, even accusing them of mutiny.
LIDL is the true spirit of Europe.
I'm not sure if they carry it in the UK, but their "Lord Nelson" tea brand (lol), actually made in Germany (lol x2), is actually quite nice.
And I'm a total sucker for their cheap tools.
Wiki tells me it was the 11th, though. It would've been a great whatsapp status message 🤔
Can't beleive she has not resigned yet, she is going to try to stay in power, I can feel it.... also I can see Brexit getting kicked to the long grass, then in a few years It will be much easier to say 'well it has been 6 years now, we best check people still want to leave'
Not the best analogy as I believe it is agreed by experts that crashing into the berg head on would have saved the ship.
Does it matter though? The EU basically told Parliament a soft Brexit can happen if they continue rejecting Mays deal, I think that broad brush still covers the majority of MPs
Makes you wonder what Corbyn and Starmer told them, maybe they've got the Tory numbers to get their deal through.
Get over it. We voted. You lost.
https://www./news/latest-news/68863...-chain-customers-favourite-vote-best-cheapest
I'm supposed to be flying out of London on the 29th, looks like I'll at least avoid the end of days.
I thought that was a milkshake.
LIDL is the true spirit of Europe.
I'm not sure if they carry it in the UK, but their "Lord Nelson" tea brand (lol), actually made in Germany (lol x2), is actually quite nice.
And I'm a total sucker for their cheap tools.
I thought that was a milkshake.
Go back two years and the debate was hard brexit vs soft brexit and somehow the Government and press have managed to hoodwink people into thinking May's deal isn't a hard brexit and that's just a no deal. Start again and treat the referendum result as it was, a narrow result towards leaving so a softer Brexit is the only answer.
It could be worse. The ERG managed to get 29th March put into the withdrawal act, but it seems that after all the amendments and lords ping-pong a sub-clause was added to the date can be changed by regulation (which I think means that the government can do it without a parliamentary vote).
Otherwise, we'd have to repeal the whole withdrawal act to avoid crashing out next Friday, and would have to pass a new withdrawal act with a different deadline. I'm not entirely sure how that would have worked.
Oh and Aldi>Lidl. Though I'll accept that Lidl's bakery does a great fig and walnut loaf.
I'm guessing that Bercow does not allow MV3 (unless a motion is passed to force him to), unless the motion is significantly changed.
Bercow's job is to uphold parliamentary sovereignty. Holding another vote cannot be done just because some foreign politicians asked us to. It might seem like he should allow it due to the EU council conclusions, but I think he'll do his job "though the heavens fall" and all that.
The situation has not actually changed. Just like two weeks ago, we have to pass the same bill or we'll crash out in two weeks unless we ask for an extension.
MV3 would have to include some extra language to make is substantially differemt, such as adding details for the negotiations over the future partnership.
My guess is that parliament will try to take over next week with Cooper/Bowles/Letwin/Benn dong their thing. If they succeed, I wonder if it will be the trigger for a resignation or GE. The government would no longer be in control of parliamentary business, which is certainly a de facto vote of no confidence. Though I suspect a decapitated Theresa May would still be claiming she would bite Corbyn's legs off.
Otherwise, we'd have to repeal the whole withdrawal act to avoid crashing out next Friday, and would have to pass a new withdrawal act with a different deadline. I'm not entirely sure how that would have worked.
Oh and Aldi>Lidl. Though I'll accept that Lidl's bakery does a great fig and walnut loaf.
I'm guessing that Bercow does not allow MV3 (unless a motion is passed to force him to), unless the motion is significantly changed.
Bercow's job is to uphold parliamentary sovereignty. Holding another vote cannot be done just because some foreign politicians asked us to. It might seem like he should allow it due to the EU council conclusions, but I think he'll do his job "though the heavens fall" and all that.
The situation has not actually changed. Just like two weeks ago, we have to pass the same bill or we'll crash out in two weeks unless we ask for an extension.
MV3 would have to include some extra language to make is substantially differemt, such as adding details for the negotiations over the future partnership.
My guess is that parliament will try to take over next week with Cooper/Bowles/Letwin/Benn dong their thing. If they succeed, I wonder if it will be the trigger for a resignation or GE. The government would no longer be in control of parliamentary business, which is certainly a de facto vote of no confidence. Though I suspect a decapitated Theresa May would still be claiming she would bite Corbyn's legs off.
Actually we don't crash out next week even if the date isn't changed. Actually leaving the EU is a matter of international law governed by A50 of the Lisbon treaty, all that happens with the withdrawal act as currently passed is that the UK disapplies the European communities act and replaces it with er pretty much the exact same set of laws. It creates a domestic legal issue (as it's not a 1:1 transfer of laws) but doesn't actually end the UK's membership.
Shhhh -- we can stretch it to include international waters! 😁
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