Hence why Brexiteers hate her deal (among other things of course.)
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JC has never engaged in forensic questioning. He doesn't do it on purpose, that's just his skillset and ability. It's why he's never been effective in PMQs. No different than any other PMQs. At times he makes a devastating point, but has no ability to follow up on Mays response and press the issue. And he never will. And he was more interested in poverty rather than talking about the released legal advice. That's what he's good at anyway.
We're lucky there is no debate this Sunday. Watching these two debate is fucking excruciating.
He's after the soundbites for twitter / facebook.
He doesn't really care what May comes back with as it won't be included in the 40 second video
The tories are doing the damage to themselves so he doesn't need to do much anyway, i'm not sure what else you could do after a car crash like this except gloat.
Apparently he asked about poverty, the shambles that is Universal Credit, and those dickhead Tory MPs using food banks as a feel good photo op instead of a source of national shame.
Depending on your point of view this was either a wasted opportunity to sink the knife in over Brexit, or a good example of him talking about the Real Issues happening outside the Westminster bubble.
I'm in two minds myself.
Parliament is completely gridlocked. There is no deal that would get enough votes. There is a chance we will get another referendum, because thats the only way out. There are also strong rumors that May could resign next week after the vote is lost.
While in general I do agree that the ongoing never ending cluster fuck that is Brexit shouldn't be the only thing PMQs is about, and certainly have in the past thought the criticism of Corbyn for asking about something else was unfair, it's hard not to feel that today of all days he should have hammered May about it. Yesterday was a disaster for her and the government, her arrogance and deceit around Brexit finally biting her in the arse, and he should have capitalised on that.
If we absolutely have to have some sort of deal, even if it's only to have a second ref, then something that is basically EEA with SM and CU access would get through.
The reason May's deal has failed is because she only concerned herself with appeasing different factions of the Tory party and there isn't enough in any camp. Had she reached out to work with Labour and everyone else instead of trying to wipe them out with an election she might have been okay.
In case we went for the Norway option, would the rebate still be there or would we end up losing the rebate so paying more for a worse option?
It would go. Norway isn't in CAP and the whole reasoning for the rebate is that we get a disproportionately low amount of the subsidies.
Although we probably wouldn't pay as much as we do now. It's a complicated question because it would have to be negotiated.
Why do people think Norway would pass a vote?
It has no advantages except independent fishing/agriculture policies and some tariff control that no-one gives a shit about. It has massive disadvantages on things that politicians really care about like no vote on the EU regulations we must follow, plus rules of origin checks that fuck up the Irish borders (either NI-Eire or NI-UK). That independent tariff policy on agriculture fucks up island of Ireland trade, pissing off Unionists, Nationalists and everyone on the island of Ireland.
Plus, Norway doesn't want us taking over their EEA gang so we'd probably need to clone most of the EEA bodies to form new EU-UK bodies.
It has no advantages except independent fishing/agriculture policies and some tariff control that no-one gives a shit about. It has massive disadvantages on things that politicians really care about like no vote on the EU regulations we must follow, plus rules of origin checks that fuck up the Irish borders (either NI-Eire or NI-UK). That independent tariff policy on agriculture fucks up island of Ireland trade, pissing off Unionists, Nationalists and everyone on the island of Ireland.
Plus, Norway doesn't want us taking over their EEA gang so we'd probably need to clone most of the EEA bodies to form new EU-UK bodies.
Parliament is looking for a way to 'honour' the referendum whist staying in CU. It will pass Labour 6 tests and the SNP and Lib Dem's, so it only needs 10 Tory rebels or so to get through.
About half I think something like £115 per head in Norway to £220 odd in the UK, but the net contibution for each is roughly £96 per head because Norway doesn't receive that much directly from the EU (no cap etc)
"Kill this deal because we find it gross or we kill your government" actually does sound like what a hard-edged small party might do.
" Shadow foreign secretary Emily Thornberry is addressing the chamber. "Our place in the world is strengthened, not diminished when we cut ourselves off from Europe," she says. " - Guardian
How can this statement come from Labour. This is ridiculous, and such a prominent figure in the party too.
How can this statement come from Labour. This is ridiculous, and such a prominent figure in the party too.
It's a mistake/misspoken/whatever because she's quoting/paraphrasing Paul Farrelly who said this
https://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/739a1359-e058-49e3-a597-fac0ba3bd93a?in=17:21:55&out=17:28:24
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How would a No Deal Brexit vs. May's Deal Brexit impact the ability of British citizens to travel in and out of the EU? Would they have to apply for a visa to even visit as a tourist, or would this solely impact Brits seeking to work in the EU?
For tourists they might get short term visa free access to the EU although in future they will have to pay for an EU equivalent of the US ESTA pre-departure authorisation check.
For Brits working and living in the EU we will get what ever the UK imposes on EU nationals in UK. At the moment it looks like we will lose the freedom to travel and work in other EU countries other than the one we are resident in at present. In the worst case we would need to apply for a visa (e.g. EU Blue Card) to live and work and that will be tied to a specific EU country.
So apparently the ECJ is going to rule wether Britain can revoke article 50 the day before the meaningful vote. Interesting times ahead for sure. Tim Farron was in the HoC saying we should suspend art.50 and continue negotiating, yeh I don't see that happening Tim if we revoke Article 50 I can see the EU saying that we can't invoke it for a certain time period.
JP Morgan saying this morning that the chances of Britain staying in the EU has gone up 40%. Hmmm
JP Morgan saying this morning that the chances of Britain staying in the EU has gone up 40%. Hmmm
Does he mean 'remain' as I would say that is now further away than ever, if he means a Norway type model, I would say that is at 70% chance
It has been said lots of time and worth repeating, there is nowhere near a majority for remaining in the EU in parliament, there is a majority for leaving the EU in name only
Even SNP talk about staying in CU SM etc, but not remaining in EU
I don't understand what he was saying, cancel art.50 and try again when we have a agreed position? The EU won't have it, we're in or we are out that is how the EU will see it.
This what I said they won't re-open negotiations whilst we are still in.
It's hopeless isn't it.
May has clarified what she meant yesterday about giving Parliament a vote on the backstop
And quelle surprise it is bollocks... she is happy to let MP's stop us going into the backstop if trade talks fail and it is needed, but of course what she did not say what happened if we refuse to enter the backstop agreement!
Answers on a postcard
And quelle surprise it is bollocks... she is happy to let MP's stop us going into the backstop if trade talks fail and it is needed, but of course what she did not say what happened if we refuse to enter the backstop agreement!
Answers on a postcard
hard Brexit with a hard border in NI
It's ridiculous, because even if she gave MPs a vote on the backstop and they decided no, the backstop would still come into effect regardless, as the withdrawal treaty doesn't give MPs a veto.
Exactly.
"Dear EU, you know that backstop you 100% insisted on having if we wanted any kind of agreement..... you're ok if we don't have it, yeah?"
She's just throwing sound bites at the wall for the next 5 days in the blind hope something sticks and pulls MPs back to her.
Isnt that, from what we currently know at least, impossible?
Like wasnt it at least 90 Tory MP's who were going to vote against the deal already?
You can't undermine the will of the British people with a second referendum but you can vote in parliament as much as needed to get the deal approved? Now that's a logic i can get behind ;)
It is why she is having constant meetings with ERG...57 votes there...
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