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KingSnake · Mar 14, 2019

British politics are unbelievable. This applies to both Tory and Labour:

Both parties and leaders only seek power and nothing else.

It's funny to see discussion about how it's OK or not to repeat a vote depending on what is the vote about.

But in fact UK rejected everything so far except for an extension with no reason behind other than "we don't know what to do".

Ravensmash · Mar 14, 2019

cheeseholidays said:
This is so hard to watch. I was under the impression that the referendum results are not legally binding, though the government did promise to do it. Why wouldn't you just revoke article 50?

Because, that technicality is irrelevant when the government sends out a leaflet to every household promising that they'd honour the result.

I hate it too, but revoking it is not a sensible way out - unless you want the likes of UKIP polling at 40% within weeks.

Mavis · Mar 14, 2019

cheeseholidays said:
This is so hard to watch. I was under the impression that the referendum results are not legally binding, though the government did promise to do it. Why wouldn't you just revoke article 50?

Because Article 50 had to be triggered by an act of parliament I presume revoking it would require the same.

Uzzy · Mar 14, 2019

So, in strong and stable news David Gauke and Richard Harrington were asked to resign yesterday by the whips, who promptly told them 'no', and so are still in their jobs because May can't sack them.

Meanwhile, just to show the utterly desperate state of Cox and his legal advice, he's now saying that we could revoke the withdrawal agreement under Article 62 of the Vienna Convention, which allows for the revoking of treaties after 'fundamental changes in circumstances'

The only problem is that 'fundamental change in circumstances' has been interpreted very narrowly in international law (a position supported by the UK in the past!), and events such as the fall of the Soviet Union or break up of Czechoslovakia haven't met the bar to be a fundamental change. Arguing this is basically screaming bad faith at the EU.

Max Quordlepleen · Mar 14, 2019

I feel like the EU should include a semi poison pill in the delay agreement of the sort like 'we extend article 50 until march 2020, but the UK has to legally binding begin implementing the adoption of the euro and join the schengen agreement during this time' so that either their fully out or fully in afterwards and have a drastic incentive to make their mind up before March 29.

FliX · Mar 14, 2019

Max Quordlepleen said:
I feel like the EU should include a semi poison pill in the delay agreement of the sort like 'we extend article 50 until march 2020, but the UK has to legally binding begin implementing the adoption of the euro and join the schengen agreement during this time' so that either their fully out or fully in afterwards and have a drastic incentive to make their mind up before March 29.

Sure fire way to ensure hard no deal Brexit. :p

Psychotext · Mar 14, 2019

https://twitter.com/usualcaveat/status/1106125976809947136

Point 14 of this is especially hilarious. :D

Joni · Mar 15, 2019

Max Quordlepleen said:
I feel like the EU should include a semi poison pill in the delay agreement of the sort like 'we extend article 50 until march 2020, but the UK has to legally binding begin implementing the adoption of the euro and join the schengen agreement during this time' so that either their fully out or fully in afterwards and have a drastic incentive to make their mind up before March 29.

Those would be really easy things to put in there that would have no effect whatsoever. They both come with a 'show 2 years of stability' clause.

Xando · Mar 15, 2019

Don't think a extension is as guaranteed as some british MPs think.

phonicjoy · Mar 15, 2019

Xando said:
Don't think a extension is as guaranteed as some british MPs think.

Thats unusually strongly worded for Rutte. What Ive heard him say has been annoyingly carefull untill now.

Blent · Mar 15, 2019

I mean, you can't blame them. This is entirely on May and the Conservatives.

Benjamin1981 · Mar 15, 2019

Xando said:
Don't think a extension is as guaranteed as some british MPs think.

Rightfully so. If the UK can't agree upon anything, the EU should end this madness in two weeks.

Kaitos · Mar 15, 2019

Xando said:
Don't think a extension is as guaranteed as some british MPs think.

Yoinks

Binabik15 · Mar 15, 2019

Xando said:
Don't think a extension is as guaranteed as some british MPs think.

EU: What do you need the extension for?

May: Make me an offer!

EU: grandpaSimpsonwalkingout.gif

31GhostsIV · Mar 15, 2019

I'm glad there's no HoC debate on this clusterfuck today, for the sake of my mental wellbeing.

Decades into the future this entire debacle will be the subject of countless "how on earth did this happen??" books.

Y2Kev · Mar 15, 2019

I'm going slightly maaaaad

I think I'm a banana tree

MrKlaw · Mar 15, 2019

31GhostsIV said:
I'm glad there's no HoC debate on this clusterfuck today, for the sake of my mental wellbeing.

Decades into the future this entire debacle will be the subject of countless "how on earth did this happen??" books.

Same. This week has broken me, but I couldn't look away

MrKlaw · Mar 15, 2019

What is Jeremy Vine on? Talking about politics and how eg the Brexit Secretary made a speech commending the extension to the house, then voted against it - i.e politics is broken

He's talking to the usual gammons and he is saying things like 'maybe Brussels played us, kept moving the goalposts'. The goalposts haven't moved. Brussels has been rock solid amongst all this shit. fucking hell

Xun · Mar 15, 2019

MrKlaw said:
What is Jeremy Vine on? Talking about politics and how eg the Brexit Secretary made a speech commending the extension to the house, then voted against it - i.e politics is broken

He's talking to the usual gammons and he is saying things like 'maybe Brussels played us, kept moving the goalposts'. The goalposts haven't moved. Brussels has been rock solid amongst all this shit. fucking hell

It's honestly best to avoid listening to that knobhead.

I can't stand him.

MrKlaw · Mar 15, 2019

Xun said:
It's honestly best to avoid listening to that knobhead.

I can't stand him.

It was an accident. Radio 2 is normally an easy listen but mid-day is to be avoided.

Deleted member 1726 · Mar 15, 2019

Juicy Bob said:
I mean, you can't blame them. This is entirely on May and the Conservatives.

Yep, I hope they do reject it, unanimously.

plagiarize · Mar 15, 2019

MrKlaw said:
What is Jeremy Vine on? Talking about politics and how eg the Brexit Secretary made a speech commending the extension to the house, then voted against it - i.e politics is broken

He's talking to the usual gammons and he is saying things like 'maybe Brussels played us, kept moving the goalposts'. The goalposts haven't moved. Brussels has been rock solid amongst all this shit. fucking hell

I think they've finally realized that the goalposts were where the EU had been saying they were all along. For them that must feel like they moved, even though they didn't.

Or they're an idiot. Could just be that.

Xun · Mar 15, 2019

MrKlaw said:
It was an accident. Radio 2 is normally an easy listen but mid-day is to be avoided.

Haha, yeah.

I also turn it off whenever the Jeremy Vine show comes on.

GS_Dan · Mar 15, 2019

This was a larf

Lo-Volt · Mar 15, 2019

If Mark Rutte is actually pissed and not just temporarily annoyed, that's a pretty bad sign - the Dutch have historically been portrayed as more sympathetic to Britain in the EU. It takes only one leader to deny an extension, after all.

phonicjoy · Mar 15, 2019

Lo-Volt said:
If Mark Rutte is actually pissed and not just temporarily annoyed, that's a pretty bad sign - the Dutch have historically been portrayed as more sympathetic to Britain in the EU. It takes only one leader to deny an extension, after all.

Hes not going to veto anything, but it should be an indication of how the rest of the leaders think.

Vault · Mar 15, 2019

well at least there is some good News

Psychotext · Mar 15, 2019

Good. Wanker.

Spaghetti · Mar 15, 2019

Love Wetherspoons, but Tim Martin is such a fucking wank.

Its chairman, Brexit supporter Tim Martin, who generally accompanies results announcements with his colourful opinions, expressed concern that Brexit would be reversed.

This, he said, would have "adverse economic consequences".

He blamed "the establishment" for a "barrage of negative economic forecasts".

Fergus Mac Roich · Mar 15, 2019

'It's the remoaners Marty, something's got to be done about the remoaners!'

tuxfool · Mar 15, 2019

Spaghetti said:
Love Wetherspoons

why?

Their pubs fit the very definition of mediocre in nearly every way possible.

Batatina · Mar 15, 2019

Vault said:
well at least there is some good News

This is the type of news I needed to cheer me up for the weekend.

AHA-Lambda · Mar 15, 2019

tuxfool said:
why?

Their pubs fit the very definition of mediocre in nearly every way possible.

To be fair they are really cheap

Spaghetti · Mar 15, 2019

tuxfool said:
why?

Their pubs fit the very definition of mediocre in nearly every way possible.

AHA-Lambda said:
To be fair they are really cheap

Basically this. Cheap and cheerful, and more or less the same everywhere you go.

I don't go for fine dining and a classy atmosphere, I go for a cheapish afternoon out with friends, or if I want a hot dinner on my lunch break for under a fiver.

Dirtyshubb · Mar 15, 2019

As someone who hasn't drunk alcohol in over 13 years and hates pubs and the typical people you find in them, I do actually go to spoons every now and then.

Only reason is they do a good vegetarian breakfast that ti's cheap. Wife convinced me and we go every now and then on a weekend.

Can't stand the brexit propaganda you get there though.

Deleted member 50969 · Mar 15, 2019

Wetherspoon's profit plunge by 19%? I guess that Brexit and Freedom dividend is paying out early then planned. :D

supremeplatypus · Mar 15, 2019

I got unwanted brexit propaganda through the letterbox courtesy of Wetherspoons once. I ripped it up and threw it in the trash.

Palloom · Mar 15, 2019

Something I missed yesterday. The Speaker blocked an amendment to rule out a 2nd ref.

Garjon · Mar 15, 2019

Wetherspoons is cheap in London, everywhere else though...

You can quite easily replicate the experience of a night in a Wetherspoons by buying a few cans, getting some microwave meals and inviting your mates round to sit with no music. Probably cheaper too

Batatina · Mar 15, 2019

Garjon said:
Wetherspoons is cheap in London, everywhere else though...

You can quite easily replicate the experience of a night in a Wetherspoons by buying a few cans, getting some microwave meals and inviting your mates round to sit with no music. Probably cheaper too

And if you put Question Time on the TV you get the full experience.

Lo-Volt · Mar 15, 2019

phonicjoy said:
Hes not going to veto anything, but it should be an indication of how the rest of the leaders think.

I agree - Amsterdam is too "close" to London to do it, but I'm just struck by how pissed that quote sounds. It's just a bad sign, especially if another leader goes rogue and just says no. But I dunno, it could happen. The Brexit Show is giving us all the twists this season!

Oreiller · Mar 15, 2019

How surprising.

Psychotext · Mar 15, 2019

The best part is, the people who actually want a no deal will still complain about the EU being bullies for not giving us an extension.

Flammable D · Mar 15, 2019

The Tory MP in this is insane

Binabik15 · Mar 16, 2019

Psychotext said:
The best part is, the people who actually want a no deal will still complain about the EU being bullies for not giving us an extension.

At this point it's clear that they have a pathological fixation on the EU, like a crazy stalker (soon ex) SO. Like my aunt's ex, who broke up with her and then started stalking and harrasaing her when she stopped responding. He told police he wants to talk to her to make sure she gets over him breaking up without any hard feelings.

Maybe they started to get high on their own supply and now actually believe the crap they and the rags peddled over decades and are paranoid the EU is out to get them. Maybe they're "only" trying to misdirect from their failures as usual.

Corky · Mar 16, 2019

gives me so hope the public aren't completely insane after this week. It won't last but I I would have pulled my hair out if there was no movement at all after the recent shit show

Dirtyshubb · Mar 16, 2019

Corky said:
gives me so hope the public aren't completely insane after this week. It won't last but I I would have pulled my hair out if there was no movement at all after the recent shit show

Thank fuck. Survation have been the most reliable the last few years so to see this fills me with hope that the country has some sense to not be voting for the tories after all th recent events.

Of course if the world was just the tories would be on 0% but sadly that's not the world we live in.

phonicjoy · Mar 16, 2019

Psychotext said:
The best part is, the people who actually want a no deal will still complain about the EU being bullies for not giving us an extension.

Just look at twitter for a second, they're already super angry at Rutte. Its pure blind nationalism, without regard to their own wishes.

Xando · Mar 16, 2019

phonicjoy · Mar 16, 2019

I met with Some UK producers last week. The smart ones who are dependend on UK business already incorporated somewhere else (Ireland mostly), and have stock on the mainland. The cost of preparations is ridiculous. They're holding extra stock of finished goods, raw materials, and are paying to stock it outside of their warehouses.

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