Good to see some positive signs, albeit small ones.
Survation have by far been the most accurate recently.
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Good to see some positive signs, albeit small ones.
Survation have by far been the most accurate recently.
Wonder how much the DUP will wrangle out of the PM for backing her deal!
Also a colleague of mine who OH works for Debenhams reckons (might be staff BS) they are about to stop selling furniture and are going to blame Brexit, when it is a credit issue
so if you have a gift card or shares in DEB, get rid as once credit dries up they will be gone
Also a colleague of mine who OH works for Debenhams reckons (might be staff BS) they are about to stop selling furniture and are going to blame Brexit, when it is a credit issue
so if you have a gift card or shares in DEB, get rid as once credit dries up they will be gone
I keep trying to tell you not to worry about the polls. They'd change hourly at the moment if they were published that quickly.
One thing though where did TIG go? They were at like 18 one week. Do these ones just not ask about them?
One thing though where did TIG go? They were at like 18 one week. Do these ones just not ask about them?
Yup. Polls during a time of state crisis are hardly right and change by the day.
TIG symptomatic of polls imo. Most people probably forgot about it. People are fickle/ignorant/forgetful/busy/uninterested.
While I can kinda understand why Labour didn't support that particular amendment, punishing those that did so is the sort of nonsense that will backfire on them... again.
Given the current confidence/supply deal expires in June, I'd expect the DUP to be going for £2bn to extend that and to back May's Brexit deal.
It's totally because it's bad weather. There would be hundreds of thousands of them otherwise!
Theresa May being the weakest PM in history has made people forget how this is supposed to work:
If you are on the front bench, and you defy the whip, you get sacked. That's how it has worked for a century or more.
Corbyn is not in the same position of weakness as May, so any Shadow Ministers can and should be sacked for breaking ranks.
Exactly. This is proper discipline. Things working as they should.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/bb...provide-their-viewpoint.105703/#post-18904905
How many more times will shit like that happen before we begin to accept the BBC are pushing this shit then?
The stats on how much airtime UKIP got on QT are so damning. I used to rely on the BBC for good news coverage, but I gave up on them during the lead up to the referendum in 2016. They let the whole country down.
What eats me up the most is we're being forced to fund this company against our will. It's either have no TV at all or be forced to give them £150 s year all the while they promote this sort of stuff.
You're right though it was around the 2016 referendum that it seemed to all go off the cliff. I can remember making the decision to stick to Channel 4 for news around that time.
That just means they'll make sure Brexit happens and whatever horrible stuff they think to get them back, see Cameron doing Brexit that got that UKIP bonus. Depressing.
That healthcare tweet, never seen that one. What a prick.
Bet he wishes to be back in Brussels, Brexit to be stopped and get an MEP gig for the next session.
Stop voting these con artists into the EU, they are playing you like a fiddle. Silver lining they did it too well and screwed themselves.
Bet he wishes to be back in Brussels, Brexit to be stopped and get an MEP gig for the next session.
Stop voting these con artists into the EU, they are playing you like a fiddle. Silver lining they did it too well and screwed themselves.
Not all of the stuff they will billboard is a tweet, but is something they've verifiably said.
huh I didn't realise what the source was, just saw the image earlier.
Also, intended to post this : https://www.nrc.nl/nieuws/2019/03/14/perhaps-theyd-better-go-a3953265
So uh, if all this falls apart and Britain is like... 12-24 hours away from No Deal Armageddon
Parliament will just ride the Titanic to the sea floor? What are the thoughts here?
Parliament will just ride the Titanic to the sea floor? What are the thoughts here?
Yup, fair enough, that's some stupid shit.
The BBC has copped a lot of flack, and rightly so, for its approach to 'balance', and this is a step even further down that road. I just don't think that makes them a 'far right' organisation. It makes them weak, if anything.
The way the BBC covered the Scottish independence referendum was a mess and highly suspect too.
They will jump aboard the more luxurous Titanic 2 that is coming to pick up them and the chosen few.
She's trying to do it via the DUP. God only knows what she'll promise those hateful bastards.
Ban abortions and also ban sex-ed in schools. Condom tax as well for good measurement.
The Observer reports that EU officials are wargaming for the collapse of Prime Minister May's government:
A pretty strong that Britain is simply running out of road with Europe, and the EU is growing more viscerally concerned about its own integrity. The meeting was also portrayed harshly regarding the PM herself: she didn't make sense before why should she now' when they discussed the UK's potential rationalization for an A50 extension.
The people who are giving up on Theresa May are the people in Brussels who used to show a lot more flexibility than the ERG ever did. Is she going to have enough time or authority to keep the EU onside, never mind the ultras? (Whoever leaked this thinks not, eh?)
Via https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/eu-war-gaming-for-fall-of-theresa-may-government
A pretty strong that Britain is simply running out of road with Europe, and the EU is growing more viscerally concerned about its own integrity. The meeting was also portrayed harshly regarding the PM herself: she didn't make sense before why should she now' when they discussed the UK's potential rationalization for an A50 extension.
The people who are giving up on Theresa May are the people in Brussels who used to show a lot more flexibility than the ERG ever did. Is she going to have enough time or authority to keep the EU onside, never mind the ultras? (Whoever leaked this thinks not, eh?)
Via https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/16/eu-war-gaming-for-fall-of-theresa-may-government
Multiple senior figures in Labour have said they would push for Remain being on the ballot, so they'd probably be able to force Corbyn to support that even though he doesn't want it there.
I could see a referendum ending up being one of,
May Deal vs Remain
May Desl vs Remain vs No Deal
May Deal vs Remain vs Labour deal of Unicorns and magic rainbows
So it's gonna be
Do you want Mays deal?
Yes
No (No deal?)
That text doesn't sound like remain is gonna be on the ballot.
Have people vote on something they don't understand. Worked well the first time.
I think there would be an open revolt in Labour if it wasn't on the ballot.
But yeah, if May was smart, she would immediately take this. Unfortunately, placating the ERG/DUP and telling everyone else to fuck off seems to be her definition of consensus.
334 voted against it last week. Get 30 of them on side with the argument that 'this is the only way of getting May's deal through' and they win.
May of course would rather try to convince the die hards in her own party to back her deal, even though that'll never work.
I see what you're getting at but he seems to frame it otherwise:
Also can i say that the idea of a referendum with more than two choices seems like a recipe for disaster.
This is my feeling as well. The die-harders won't go for it, but some more moderate Tories (for example Scottish Tories looking worriedly at poll numbers) would probably shift sides if May gave it her blessing.
I imagine the EU would probably allow an extension to take place as it unblocks things (either the WA down the road or we revoke Article 50). We'd have to take part in elections as it's the only sane choice for ANY extension, although I wouldn't put it past TM to screw the pooch by making this another of her fucking stupid red lines.
Yeah I think involving May's deal is the only way a ref gets through. Though I'm not sure if you can win 30 over on a referendum with remain on the ballot, which it has to have to be of any value.
Totally agree it has to be a 2-choicer. Personally I'm fine with multiple choice with maybe a ranking system, but the ensuing arguments no matter the result would be incredibly counterproductive.
Corbyn's problem is that all of Labour's moves are in the guise of 'stopping a damaging tory brexit'. It's constantly reactive, and everything is a wait and see. Of course he'd vote remain over May's deal, but ask him about Labours deal vs remain and he wouldn't have an answer, or just say Labours deal and piss a bunch of people off.
Can honestly see May machinating towards a ref of her deal vs no deal. In which case I have an aneurysm. I'm not the most ideological of types but it'd be a tempting thing to boycott, disastrous no deal asides.
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