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BREXIT |OT2.0| A parade of endless victories for Boris Johnson
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Also ignores the context of the lies told in the referendum campaign.
"getting a deal will be easy", "we will hold all the cards" etc. Repeatedly proven wrong in the subsequent years.
Could have been planned?, makes no deal more likely, which is what the haunted pencil wants.
I think(?) that's been pointed out before, and it can be reversed by another act of parliament. If there's a majority for the deal there's a majority to amend anything like this that it requires.
Yes it can be reversed, just stupid how it's there by the hands of JRM
This. I can't see how Corbyn could allow it without consequences.
Given the questions Wilson was asking in the house there, I wouldn't be so sure that customs isn't an issue.
When you think of it this deal could be quite an economic boost for Northern Ireland, but DUP doesn't care about that.
Yep. Northern Ireland remaining in the EU systems and becoming the entry way to the UK economy would be huge for them. Any rational person would favour that arrangement if you were in Northern Ireland - but the DUP are far from rational.
The rest of the deal still stinks, and it's absurd how May's deal was too weak and generous but this one is somehow better when it's actually worse in every respect.
Might aswell rip the plaster off tbh. I've never believed in anything but eternal Tory governance for awhile now.
Actually, what's being proposed is problematic because essentially NI will become the EU border, and goods coming from the UK will be just as expensive to ship to NI as they'll be to ship to France. Given the way supply chains are you're talking about either completely changing the supply chain into NI or importing a shit ton of inflation as the costs rise.
In what, less than 10 days with all the other legislation that's required to get through before the deal is ratified, yeah right theres no chance.
I imagine some of that will be brexit fatigue. But that is both depressing and worrying - that something so potentially damaging to so many people for so long (including my children) could be passed due to people just not caring any more
What do the DUP think will happen if they are seen to move NI away from the Union? Unionist terrorists still exist and would almost certainly see the DUP's stance as a betrayal.
Imagine Sinn Féin rocking up to Westminster and backing a no deal Brexit with a hard Irish border. They could never set foot in Ireland again, North or South. The DUP will effectively be doing the same. Brave, stupid or greedy, my guess is the latter.
Imagine Sinn Féin rocking up to Westminster and backing a no deal Brexit with a hard Irish border. They could never set foot in Ireland again, North or South. The DUP will effectively be doing the same. Brave, stupid or greedy, my guess is the latter.
And the false idea that once the WA is done then that's brexit done.
foster saying that we need a settlement for nationalists and unionists is interesting. dup would definitely need a lot of political finesse to sell their backing of a border in the Irish Sea
brexit writers need to justify this weak retread of the 'will the dup turn and back the deal now??? dun dun dun' storyline tbh, they beat that dramatic material to death in the earlier season.
brexit writers need to justify this weak retread of the 'will the dup turn and back the deal now??? dun dun dun' storyline tbh, they beat that dramatic material to death in the earlier season.
Sort of... you could actually vote for the deal and then vote against this. Would be a far less politically charged way to crash the deal.
So... why are the ERG so focused on the DUP? Surely they don't actually care about the DUP. Are they just a conveinent excuse to push for a harder Brexit?
Also, fuck me if the entire country isn't being held to ransom by a bunch of right wing loons.
Also, fuck me if the entire country isn't being held to ransom by a bunch of right wing loons.
So here's some feedback on that poll, as was mentioned earlier in the thread. Lumping leave and leave no matter what together is a bit tricksy.
There's a small branch in the ERG who are concerned about Unionism (of course that does take you down the path that Brexit is pretty bad for the union) but there's probably less than 10 of them in that camp, there's another camp of about 10 or so who are basically dead set against any deal will use the DUP to avoid Johnson bringing the deal to parliament because they don't want to vote for it and Johnson will make it a losing the whip matter to do so.
Many news organisations also pushed the CBI's report completely uncritically.
It's a rigged system, which is all the more reason why it needs to be changed.
Wouldn't put it past them. Its becoming clear the gov is negotiating first agreeing first and then asking the dup after. They are running head first into May's issues, only at a accelerated rate. Should arrive at the same outcome that may came to (deal flailing) much quicker to.
Looks like the UK Government is trying to bounce the DUP by agreeing stuff with the EU (or giving the impression at least), leaking it and then watching the DUP reaction before backtracking.
Bloody hell the volume there though, was it the cameraman shouting or something?!
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