I wonder if this is the general view or just what's being fed to Irish journalists... and I wonder what the details are.
we don't know what it is or even if anything happened but this changes everything probably
I wonder if this is the general view or just what's being fed to Irish journalists... and I wonder what the details are.
so the Irish offered something Johnson won't accept or he just means it's still technically possibleVaradkar has said that a new agreement by end of Oct is possible now.
Wow, might be actual progress.
Is this like musical chairs, when the music stops you don't want to be one without the 'not my fault' chair?
Everyone will be doing a press conference every hour up until the deadline, yeah totally open to a deal, working on it, definetly possible.
So the Brexit party have voted against an EU resolution to counter election meddling and Russian disinformation.
You think they would at least try to hide that they are barely disguised villains but I can bet that their follower will eat it up. Sticking it to the EU etc etc.
I think we are about to witness the birth of a fudge so fantastic that even Willy Wonka would find it unbelievable.
Is this like musical chairs, when the music stops you don't want to be one without the 'not my fault' chair?
Everyone will be doing a press conference every hour up until the deadline, yeah totally open to a deal, working on it, definetly possible.
That makes me so angry and people support this mob. At least it passed without them, not a good look that 140+ voted against it, not just the Brexit Party.
My brother is a member and campaigns for them. It's infuriating. I've been avoiding the day we have an actual argument about it.That makes me so angry and people support this mob. At least it passed without them, not a good look that 140+ voted against it, not just the Brexit Party.
Whatever it is, conservative personalities are already spinning it as "see, the negotiations were serious and for real, not like the EU said".Potentially got my idiot hat on here, but might it even involve a NI-only referendum on arrangements?
Whatever it is, conservative personalities are already spinning it as "see, the negotiations were serious and for real, not like the EU said".
No matter the outcome, this is a shitshow in the making.
Surely there isn't even enough time to get any deal through parliament before 31st October now, especially with the Tories having prorogued it.
Even then, literally the best deal Johnson can really come back with is May's deal and a border in the Irish Sea, which Labour will most likely reject, the Lib Dems will reject, the SNP will reject, the DUP will reject...there just wouldn't be the numbers to get it through.
It's alright, they're working (one) Saturday.Surely there isn't even enough time to get any deal through parliament before 31st October now, especially with the Tories having prorogued it.
Even then, literally the best deal Johnson can really come back with is May's deal and a border in the Irish Sea, which Labour will most likely reject, the Lib Dems will reject, the SNP will reject, the DUP will reject...there just wouldn't be the numbers to get it through.
It leaves the customs union but actually stays in it."This would see NI leave the EU customs union with the rest of the UK but it would be treated administratively as if it was part of it"
This is absolute jibberish
"This would see NI leave the EU customs union with the rest of the UK but it would be treated administratively as if it was part of it"
This is absolute jibberish
So FCA (dual customs border) just for NI a la @MESandbu & @RaoulRuparel? If Ireland and EU willing to accept it, could work.
Lots of people misunderstood the proposal at the time. The EU issue with FCA was that it's difficult to know when final sale is UK or EU, which could give UK industries an unfair competitive advantage.
Actual process of running dual tariff regime fairly straightforward: First, pay higher tariff/EU upon import, then a) If importer demonstrates final sale in (lower tariff) UK claims rebate; or b) trusted companies pay correct tariff on import dependent on point of final sale
Anyway, who knows if this is what the plan is. Guess we'll find out tomorrow. In practical terms, means NI in customs union with EU, but politically speaking not quite.
Addendum: so question is whether EU would accept Chequers but just for NI. Risks to single market lower than all-UK, but still present.
And to be clear, I have no inside insight on this - I am going off this thread by the well-informed
@denisstaunton
Will be pretty funny to see people claim victory for boris when he agrees to the backstop (NI only) the EU originally wanted.
I know who he is but selling these idiots a win (even if it isn't) is the only way to pass it through parliamentIt has to be remembered that Dan Hodges is a fucking idiot and his take is worth literally nothing
i regret to inform etc etcExtinction Rebellion (or a member of) are on Question Time tonight.
That's actually pretty fucking cool of the Beeb.
i regret to inform etc etc
couldn't remember the person this ended up on my timeline through this morning, so i can't find it, but according to that context, also a TERF.