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BREXIT |OT2.0| No government is better than a bojo government

Kalor

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Oct 25, 2017
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A thread but basically the info from today is apparently outdated or with some omissions, especially around Gibraltar

 

JediTimeBoy

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Oct 27, 2017
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A thread but basically the info from today is apparently outdated or with some omissions, especially around Gibraltar

"Govt seems to concede the EU isn’t going to be nearly as badly effected as us. Talks of “small number of cases” where the EU will be negatively affected as us (in those areas, docs say, they might want to strike side deals) "

No shit.
 

Maledict

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Oct 25, 2017
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If you remember Farage went onto TV and said it looked like Leave had lost early into the evening, which caused a big spike in the markets. It later turned out he knew this was a lie - he had access to private polling which showed they were ahead. He literally manipulated the stock market on live TV to make a quick profit for him and his mates.
 

Beer Monkey

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Oct 30, 2017
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Eat the rich, eat them with beans or in a pudding or however you fucking do it but they need eating. Brexit was/is literally just a market shorting scheme by the .01%.
 

Ravensmash

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Oct 25, 2017
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So apparently both Kwasi Kwarteng and Farage's interviews with Andrew Neil were trainwrecks.

Yay!

Kwasi was apparently making up answers whilst spinning 360 degrees, and Farage was upstaged by a pro immigration protester in the background.

Shall watch.
 
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JediTimeBoy

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Oct 27, 2017
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So apparently both Kwasi Kwarteng and Farage's interviews with Andrew Neil were trainwrecks.

Yay!

Kwasi was apparently making up answers whilst spinning 360 degrees, and Farage was upstaged by a pro immigration protester in the background.

Shall watch.
Watching now, and Kwasi Kwarteng completely avoiding answering whether Boris could survive if the UKSC found that prorogation was unlawful, and therefore that he lied to the Queen. Then he get's touchy, when he's asked what Boris does if he cannot get a deal, because the law says that Boris must get an extension.
 

Ravensmash

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Oct 25, 2017
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Watching now, and Kwasi Kwarteng completely avoiding answering whether Boris could survive if the UKSC found that prorogation was unlawful, and therefore that he lied to the Queen. Then he get's touchy, when he's asked what Boris does if he cannot get a deal, because the law says that Boris must get an extension.
Bahaha, thought it'd be something along those lines.

Shall try and watch Peston too, although not sure if I can have two doses of garage in one night.

Fake edit: Completely leaving that autocorrect in place

Real edit: Kwasi did not come across very well there...almost as though no-one in charge has any idea what the heck is going on. Bit of a brutal interview.

lmao at "Is that the no deal plus?" in reference to saving a few quid on a bottle of wine
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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That David Cameron tweet is like The Game at this point. Will be one of the things still relevant in 5 billion years when the earth gets destroyed
 

JediTimeBoy

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Oct 27, 2017
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Farage really loses his way, when Andrew Neil questions him on his statement "smells like judicial interference". Farage started "erm"-ing and "uh"-ing like Boris.

What was interesting was when he was asked if he would target Labour seats at a GE, or end up splitting the Tory vote. Farage basically said that the Tories would need to come to some kind of accommodation with him, or the Tories would end up splitting the vote.
 
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Ravensmash

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Oct 25, 2017
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Farage really loses his way, when Andrew Neil questions him on his statement "smells like judicial interference". Farage started "erm"-ing and "uh"-ing like Boris.

What was interesting was when he was asked if he would target Labour seats at a GE, or end up splitting the Tory vote. Farage basically said that the Tories would need to come to some kind of accommodation with him, or the Tories would end up splitting the vote.


Yeah, the narrative he was trying to spin seemed to slip a bit.

But yeah, that was a rather entertaining 30 mins tbh. Two people who I don't hold in high regard, failing to showcase themselves in a decent way.
 

Breqesk

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Oct 28, 2017
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Hearing more stories about how the US Democrats somehow keep taking the Republicans at their word - and getting completely and utterly screwed for it - has made me really appreciate how quickly Labour and the rest of the opposition parties here adapted to the Tories’ fuckery and stopped trying to play by the old rules.

Imagine if they’d just taken Boris at his word that he wouldn’t use an early election to force through No Deal, or not insisted on getting the extension request enshrined in law.
 

iapetus

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Oct 26, 2017
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Hearing more stories about how the US Democrats somehow keep taking the Republicans at their word - and getting completely and utterly screwed for it - has made me really appreciate how quickly Labour and the rest of the opposition parties here adapted to the Tories’ fuckery and stopped trying to play by the old rules.

Imagine if they’d just taken Boris at his word that he wouldn’t use an early election to force through No Deal, or not insisted on getting the extension request enshrined in law.
The fact that some Conservatives have actually had the decency to stand up against the shit their party is trying to pull in real and meaningful ways, even at the cost of their own careers, is also a distinction between US and UK politics that makes me feel somewhat relieved to be on this side of the pond...
 

kmag

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Nov 5, 2017
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LIstening to Today on Radio 4, amazing how the BBC news bulletins continually parrot the easily disproved lie that the Yellowhammer papers are reasonable worst case scenarios with absolutely no equivocation.
 

Funky Papa

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Oct 28, 2017
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Do we even know for sure what kind of scenario are for?

I'm still more or less surprised by how little hard data there is. Surely enough the government must have detailed figures and projections for all critical industries. The refineries bit was the only one that seemed more or less precise and it was redacted.

Edit: This was published yesterday. Just before YellowHammer was produced.

Here’s why Gibraltar is a shining example for Brexit Britain, says ANN WIDDECOMBE

This is a real column somebody got paid in the coin of the land to write.

I wish I could have this grift.
 
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JediTimeBoy

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Oct 27, 2017
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"The European parliament is to criticise the British government’s treatment of EU citizens living in the UK and insist it will refuse to ratify a deal that fails to include an Irish backstop or provisions that tie the UK into EU standards after Brexit.

A leaked copy of a resolution of the parliament due to be voted on next week lays out a series of concerns about the conduct of Boris Johnson’s government. The parliament has a veto on any deal agreed
."

 

Rodelero

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Oct 27, 2017
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LIstening to Today on Radio 4, amazing how the BBC news bulletins continually parrot the easily disproved lie that the Yellowhammer papers are reasonable worst case scenarios with absolutely no equivocation.
I can't be the only one that finds the term "reasonable worst case" a complete oxymoron aside from it clearly being something they've just replaced the words "base scenario" with.
 

danowat

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Oct 27, 2017
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I can't be the only one that finds the term "reasonable worst case" a complete oxymoron aside from it clearly being something they've just replaced the words "base scenario" with.
The rhetoric this morning was....

"Well, it's is the worse case scenario without any government mitigation"

Which we all know is complete bullshit.
 

Hamrub

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Oct 27, 2017
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LIstening to Today on Radio 4, amazing how the BBC news bulletins continually parrot the easily disproved lie that the Yellowhammer papers are reasonable worst case scenarios with absolutely no equivocation.
I was listening to Radio 2 (I think) this morning and was quite surprised when they mentioned that the previous leaked document had them labelled as the "base case".
 

nelsonqos

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Jul 8, 2019
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One of my favourite things at the moment is comparing the Scottish and English daily newspaper headlines. For example, the Scottish Daily Mail headline today is 'Fury as Court decides Boris misled Queen'. In England and Wales, the Daily Mail headline does not refer to yesterday’s events.

The BBC publishes an overview of the Scottish and British newspaper headlines every day. Here are todays:

Scotland: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-49672111
Rest of UK: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-49670459
 

JediTimeBoy

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Oct 27, 2017
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"That is why we are doing things about it. That is why the chancellor opened his cheque book, that’s why we are spending the money on doing lots of things to mitigate those assumptions.

Every day, we plan everything from whether we need to find alternative suppliers, whether we need to go out to the private sector to charter things, whether we need to plan using our Army or our police forces in certain scenarios..
. "

Ben Wallace Defense Secretary on Operation Yellowhammer amounting to planning assumptions.
(emphasis mine)

(time stamp 10:23)

Things starting to make sense...
 

Funky Papa

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Oct 28, 2017
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You just know some people are going to make criminal amounts of money with opportunities that wouldn't be available to them without a crisis.
 

kradical

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Oct 25, 2017
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Interesting to see that rather than go for the usual Enemy of the People rhetoric on the front pages of the brexit supporting newspapers regarding the Scottish ruling, they've decided to completely ignore it. I imagine it's because they see it as hugely damaging no matter how much it's spun.