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BREXIT |OT2.0| A parade of endless victories for Boris Johnson
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Labour have multiple times stated quite clearly they back a second referendum???
They have not said they want remain on the ballot. They have not said they back remain.
They are still sitting on the fence.
People want a clear message. Members want a referendum and members want to remain. Corbyn is held hostage by Unite who do not want a referendum. Time to stop ignoring the membership, trade unionists, MP's and voters.
I expect in two weeks labour will say they want a referendum and back remain but the question will then be why has it taken so damn long to reach that position?
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Why is it that I can totally see the death penalty being re-instated in Britain after this fucking mess?
I think you misunderstood, I was trying to say that saying this:
Is disingenuous with there are real issues there (like leave voters strongly supporting the death penalty) to focus on.
The country is hamstrung because its solely focused on this.
There is no point in debating someone like Mark Francois his head is so far up his own arse his breath smells like shit. But who looks at their ballot paper and thinks yeh Peter Griffin is just what is needed in Parliament, an egg has more brain's then him, the pencil that is used to cast your vote has more of a backbone then him.
Yup. But you have to deal with things as they are, not as you wish them to be. That fixation is damaging, but it's not going to go away just cos. Not least because it affects, at minimum, a significant part of the economy.
'Japan's foreign minister has told the BBC that he is "very concerned" about the implications of a no-deal Brexit.
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Carmakers were worried about the free-flow of parts to the UK from the EU if there was a no-deal Brexit, he said.
"Right now they have very smooth operations. Their stock for each part is only for a few hours. But if there is no-deal Brexit, and if they have to go through actual custom inspection physically, those operations may not be able to continue," he said.
"And many companies are worried about [the] implications because they don't know what's going to happen," he said, so they have started to move their operations to other places in Europe.
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The UK has said it wants to join the trade pact known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. He said that while this was possible, negotiations could not take place until the UK had left the EU.
While Japan would be happy to negotiate a new trade deal with the UK, "I think you have get out of the EU first before you can negotiate".
Asked if a free trade deal with Japan could be agreed by 31 October, he said: "I don't think so".
There would be "some kind of gap" before a deal could be ratified.'
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Carmakers were worried about the free-flow of parts to the UK from the EU if there was a no-deal Brexit, he said.
"Right now they have very smooth operations. Their stock for each part is only for a few hours. But if there is no-deal Brexit, and if they have to go through actual custom inspection physically, those operations may not be able to continue," he said.
"And many companies are worried about [the] implications because they don't know what's going to happen," he said, so they have started to move their operations to other places in Europe.
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The UK has said it wants to join the trade pact known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. He said that while this was possible, negotiations could not take place until the UK had left the EU.
While Japan would be happy to negotiate a new trade deal with the UK, "I think you have get out of the EU first before you can negotiate".
Asked if a free trade deal with Japan could be agreed by 31 October, he said: "I don't think so".
There would be "some kind of gap" before a deal could be ratified.'
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Edit: nvm, checked again, you're right. It's the CPTPP.
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I new it was something less catchy, bloody Japanese must think we are really stupid, they will rue the day they try to get one past our top quality political leadership.
'Boris Johnson, has given an interview to ConservativeHome:
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Here are the key points.
This is specifically not what Javid was proposing. In the debate he said:
When the other candidates on stage appeared to agree, or at least not to dissent, Javid said: "Excellent, they agree."
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-in-uk-japan-tells-johnson-and-hunt-live-news (timestamp 11:27)
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Here are the key points.
- Johnson said he was committed to a general investigation into prejudice and discrimination in the Conservative party - instead of the specific inquiry into Islamophobia that he apparently signed up to last week. When asked if he would go ahead with the independent Islamophobia inquiry, which he appeared to endorse in the BBC debate last week when Sajid Javid, the home secretary, bounced all other candidates into agreeing the idea, he replied:
This is specifically not what Javid was proposing. In the debate he said:
When the other candidates on stage appeared to agree, or at least not to dissent, Javid said: "Excellent, they agree."
- He claimed that it was "very, very unlikely" that MPs would vote to delay Brexit again, but he refused to say what he would do if this happened. This claim from Johnson is almost certainly not true. The opposition parties, and dozens of of Tories MPs, are strongly opposed to a no-deal Brexit, and it is probable that, faced with a choice between no-deal and extending article 50 again, the Commons would vote for a further delay.'
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-in-uk-japan-tells-johnson-and-hunt-live-news (timestamp 11:27)
I think we all know who is behind a lot of his apparent stubbornness, Watson hinted at them causing trouble for Corbyn earlier in his leadership before the Brexit mess.
Best case scenario, she calls for a vote on ruling out no deal (which has already happened anyway iirc)?
If that's the case, I think it will be hard to find the numbers to repeal it.
Expect lab as a party to eventually back remain, but the trade unions who don't want to, get behind a second ref and that's it.
Collective responsibility as a shadow cabinet, but other arms of the party somewhat decide what they want.
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Am I some kind of chronomancer? I could have sworn we've done this already months ago. Or did that not count because it wasn't an non-binding advisory referendum?
It's just a french car anyway. The UK will make new and better british made cars in no time!
That "poll" has got Blair and Miliband literally written all over it, clearly a centrist hitjob
What? Am I missing something suggesting Ipsos MORI are in the pocket of Tony Blair and/or the Miliband brothers?
it's satire i believe.
Corbyn can possibly turn it around but Brexit is the only thing people care about so he's got to bite that bullet first.
The opposite of France where the country hates the government. :p
It was a joke, but I appreciate that it's not altogether easy to distinguish from some of the earnest posts in this thread and elsewhere :p
Why wouldn't he be, he is doing what he's known for and what his lot want.
It's pretty easy to be Farage.
playing politics on easy mode because nothing he says or does matters
No deal? sure, fuck it!
Ah. I hoped it was sarcasm, for what it's worth. Doesn't always turn out that way these days.
Eh, it's an old quote. Don't see the big deal that he referred to it in the context of appealing to the old patriots in the Conservative party.
You can see why everyone else might hate it though, especially if they're not of ye olde Anglo Saxon persuasion.
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