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BREXIT |OT2.0| A parade of endless victories for Boris Johnson
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Fantastic. Every additional Pro Remain MP is crucial at this point with such a slim Conservative majority.
It's probably more handbags than anything, but it's worrying to see this in our intelligence services.
I just wonder if the officials are actively trying to keep him out of the office, as futile as it may be. It'll just rile up the 'anti-establishment' loons who somehow miss that the bellend is an Etonian.
I would hope it is because of his attire rather than skin colour, I presume there is a dress code in Brussels
This makes my avatar's pride-pussy and EU-lampshade look like Michelangelo-tier graphic design.
Even then, you have to ask whether a white guy in normal clothes would have gotten the same reaction - it's still racism, just not the same kind as you get from the Brexit party people
Yeah... No.
The majority of those will quickly change their minds after a quick chat with Boris' team, offering them a decent job.
No way enough Tories have a backbone
There's already 10 who voted to stop no deal (and would have won that vote had it not been for Labour Leavers), and there's a large number of people currently in the cabinet who have been pretty vocal about it, and will likely not have those jobs soon. Does that add up to 30? I'm not sure, but they'll have some influence.
In other news, Boris is leading the polls by 48 points. There's some other numbers here.
48% think he can be trusted, but 76% think he'll make a good leader. Personally I'd have thought trust in someone was a prerequisite for them being a good leader, but the more you know!
A good leader to them is someone that gives them a no deal Brexit. They're completely detached from reality.
This should terrify all of us...
I am utterly convinced Boris is simply going to quite happy for parliament to block him, it is his easy out, as long as he pushes for a no deal, he can say I wanted no deal but MP's blocked me
I doubt it. Because then what? This is his main promise. If he can't deliver it then he's no 'better' than May. It's not like this is a small issue people don't care about.
he doesn't really care about brexit, it just gave him a route to becoming PM, i don't think either outcome matters much to him much as long as he achieved the top job and the related bump in future income from speaking and articles.
Optics, May compromised, the WA is rubbish as she did not say 'no'. I beleive Boris will say 'no'. I do apprecite he will still get pinned to the cross, both of them know they can not get HB through as it has allready been voted on, so they must be working on how to sell 'not their fault' mantra
I wonder if Boris can Dunkirk it and turn a loss into a splendid defeat the tory base will forgive him for, i think they would prefer a Rorke's drift but that's unlikely.
If they can't get it through they'll blame the EU and the Opposition. If they get it through and it all goes horribly wrong they'll blame the EU and the electorate. Not their fault at all.
Reading more than the headline (which most of the comments don't seem to have done) this is probably the clearest indication yet that even Len McClusky would get onboard with a policy shift.
Apparently not, you must be mistaken.
Just noticed this in the article above...
Treating seats as purely leave or remain seats stands to backfire spectacularly... and even if you did, how many currently safe Labour "remain" seats are they going to lose as their base looks for a party that represents their views?
Hell, I've been a Labour supporter for a quarter of a century... and unless my local Labour MP is spectacular on local issues, I'll either not be voting, or protest voting.
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It's a response to something Paul Mason wrote but yeah on its own it looks terrible.
"Paul Mason argues his corner well, but really needs to stop being so dismissive of opposing views."
Yes, Len McCluskey actually wrote that.
Yup, the argument cited is a complete fallacy. This was a good Twitter thread about the statistics of why it's bad reasoning:
The conservatives would be spectacularly fucked by those results in a FPTP system. No wonder they're so desperate for a no deal cheerleader to captain them.
Ok, good. McCluskey is one of the biggest fucking sticks in the mud, if not THE biggest stick for labour adopting a remain position in the ref,so this is a deep hint he has all but accepted labour will need and has to back remain in a second ref. It does look likely they will have to accept a remain position or they will be forced to during the sept conference. I think there will be a domino effect once the party position is declared at the end of July.
I reckon internal polling and wargaming against a full bore no deal BoJo pm showed labs best chance of winning a GE, so McCluskey and others against a remain position are begrudgingly moving to that side since they do now want to be seen of heard siding with anything to do with BoJo.
I don't use it for info. Just saw the traffic warden vid and thought it was dope.
I just love the fact that their argument is both that they had nothing and that they also had enough to buy a house and live comfortably for the rest of their lives.
They aren't even making the argument of being frugal, just more of being bitter that the 'youth' have expensive clothes compared to them at their age.
A complete lack of understanding on how the world has changed compared to their youth.
Someone should tell them they could find their identity by sticking their head in the oven.
Because all good parents want their children to grow up with nothing. That's why these Tory members all support high inheritance taxes after all...
They have solved the cognitive dissonance of wanting a Brexit that is objectively bad for everyone by acting like the desolation of post-WWII Britain was a good thing... Whereas the people who actually fought in the war devoted themselves to social improvements and ensuring another world war wouldn't happen.
They have solved the cognitive dissonance of wanting a Brexit that is objectively bad for everyone by acting like the desolation of post-WWII Britain was a good thing... Whereas the people who actually fought in the war devoted themselves to social improvements and ensuring another world war wouldn't happen.
JRM and Dominic Grieve on pienears politics!!
JRM thinks Liz Truss or Javid will be chancellor
DG is trying tomorrow to get no deal off the table (NI Bill) he does not want to bring the GOV down unless he has to, but he will vote NC if it comes to it to stop no deal, he is entirely confident there is enough candidates who will vote NC and bring down the GOV to stop hard brexit
BJ is mis leading people and thinks he knows he is going to dissapoint a lot of people, he is not trustworthy and he knows hard brexit is not passable..
John is noting that this is how far politics has turned, we are no longer surprised the attorney general just said live on radio that he will bring down the GOV and just called the future PM untrustworthy...
A conservative MP will make eforts to collapse the GOV....2019 people
JRM thinks Liz Truss or Javid will be chancellor
DG is trying tomorrow to get no deal off the table (NI Bill) he does not want to bring the GOV down unless he has to, but he will vote NC if it comes to it to stop no deal, he is entirely confident there is enough candidates who will vote NC and bring down the GOV to stop hard brexit
BJ is mis leading people and thinks he knows he is going to dissapoint a lot of people, he is not trustworthy and he knows hard brexit is not passable..
John is noting that this is how far politics has turned, we are no longer surprised the attorney general just said live on radio that he will bring down the GOV and just called the future PM untrustworthy...
A conservative MP will make eforts to collapse the GOV....2019 people
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I often wonder if people are stupid, deluded or know exactly what their doing, self interest enrichment and all their chat is nonsense to push it through because it's quite scary if it's not, sucks both ways but they really aren't that mad and deluded are they, well some of them maybe.
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