- Oct 27, 2017
If you do a unity government, then you're better off taking a technocrat.
My God, we get it. I’m a Labour voter through and through, have only ever voted for them. I don’t even mind Corbyn, but this insistence that just because he’s the leader of the biggest op party, that he’s the ONLY option for leader of a temp, implicitly created for one goal, unity gove, is absolutely ridiculous. As has been quite clearly pointed out to you already, there are plenty of reasons why Corbyn risks the success of a unity gove, and why someone else, without his “baggage” is far more suited.Jo Swinson, whose voting record is pro austerity, anti environment, pro tuition fees, even voted for the Bedroom tax, FFS even voted against taxs on banker bonuses, is another fraud in a long line of charlatans among the lib dems. Of course she would never support the only leader possible for a unity government in Corbyn.
The idea that anyone other than the leader of the biggest opposition party would not be the leader of a unity government is just preposterous.
The Lib dems don't care about anything other than getting more power. The reason there will not be a unity government is the lib dems are just a bunch of liars and scam artists. Jo Swinson in particular is just a con woman and a liar. She even voted for the pay cap on public sector workers while voted against an increase on income tax on wealthy people, and even fucking voted against increasing tax on bankers bonuses. Swinson is more Tory than some Tories. She's just another fraud, who hates regular people, doesn't care about Brexit and will say or do anything for power.
Criticising Jo Swinson on the internet is not going to magically stop a potential unity government from happening. What a bizarre leap to make. And now is absolutely the time, even if it makes some lib dem supporters lose their cool.My God, we get it. I’m a Labour voter through and through, have only ever voted for them. I don’t even mind Corbyn, but this insistence that just because he’s the leader of the biggest op party, that he’s the ONLY option for leader of a temp, implicitly created for one goal, unity gove, is absolutely ridiculous. As has been quite clearly pointed out to you already, there are plenty of reasons why Corbyn risks the success of a unity gove, and why someone else, without his “baggage” is far more suited.
This isn’t a Labour gove we’re seeking, it is a gove, with a singular focus, to prevent one of the most horrifically damaging things that can happen to this country in a lifetime. It doesn’t matter who supports this gove, and what they previously voted to support, the ONLY thing that matters is that they enable it to happen, so that the single implicit goal of the gove is successful and we can actually work to a longer term solution in a 2nd ref, and GE.
There isn’t the time to faff about going “BUT THEY’RE NOT REALLY LEFTIST BUT TORIES!!” as again, the ONLY goal of a unity gove, is to prevent No Deal Brexit and ensure a 2nd ref/GE.
You were criticising Jo Swinson, and I agree with pretty much everything you say about her. That said, you’re now switching the context of your own post. It has absolutely nothing to do with Jo Swinson and her credentials. The context is whether it is worth arguing over who leads a unity gove, and as already stated, it is irrelevant, the only thing that matters is they get as much support across the house as possible. Corbyn is toxic to that goal, wrongly or rightly, so someone who isn’t, is better suited.Criticising Jo Swinson on the internet is not going to magically stop a potential unity government from happening. What a bizarre leap to make. And now is absolutely the time, even if it makes some lib dem supporters lose their cool.
And its not about calling her a Tory, its about her being a liar who seems more interested in power than stopping no deal.
Is publically attacking Jeremy Corbyn, going to make a unity government more likely? Of course not. But it might increase votes for Lib Dems. Which goes back to the point she is a known liar, who seems far more interested in getting more power than stopping no deal. In the interest of stopping no deal, Swinson should be trying to work with Corbyn, obviously, not playing politics to increase lib dem votes.
Its one thing to vote for Austerity, and vote for cuts, vote for the wealthy, vote against the environment, vote in favor of corporations and banks, its another thing to lie about it over and over, right to people's faces.
I don't think this is entirely fair. It's not that they don't care, it's just secondary in their view to getting a Labour government. There's also a not totally unfounded suspicion that a lot of the centrist remain campaign have also been using the issue to try and get rid of Corbyn instead of just focusing on stopping no deal/Brexit.
I get really jealous of other EU countries who have Green MPs who are a viable option.Man this thread is just dudes arguing now.
Tories: immigrant and poor killing wastes. Racist as fuck.
Lib Dems: supported the Tories through all the shit they did. Lib Dems leaders voting record is 100% Tory. They come off to me as Tory lite. Only thing that is positive about them is they are pro remain.
Labour: Leader that is pro Brexit. Leader that has been fucked over by the press but sometimes doesn't help himself. Then you have the antisemitism and the New Labour dickheads making it even worse.
All these parties for me as a black immigrant aren't worth voting for.
First past the post :/
“We had a referendum and the people decided against voting reform in 2011” - Every MP when asked.
To some people the only thing they think of when it comes to diversity is gender.
The alternative being...?
Seemingly every side and/or party has been hit by a dose of insanity.
Completely outrageous, it's almost like they realise the options are severely limited, I don't want any of that kind of sensible thinking this side of the border thank you very much.
We'll just gloss over the fact it's a proposed government of national unity that includes someone who wants independence. Not sure how much credibility that brings to the situation.
Good post!I feel like somewhere along the road you have completely lost sight of what a unity government is.
What stands in the way of a unity government lead by Corbyn?
Disliked by many independents
Disliked by many of the key Conservative rebels
Disliked by many of the key potential Labour rebels
Disliked by the Liberal Democrats
Disliked by most of the country
What stands in the way of a unity government lead by someone broadly respected (e.g. Clarke, Cooper, Benn, Hermon, Grieve)?
Corbyn and a small group of stubborn Labour MPs
Wake the fuck up. You aren't going to suceed in gaslighting the nation that the Liberal Democrats are responsible.
It's incredible that you would point at the Liberal Democrats as power hungry while defending the notion that Corbyn might point blank refuse to allow anyone but himself to lead a unity government.
As for Swinson's record, I'm not going to defend it because I don't agree with it in most places.
I have a degree of understanding for some of the votes made during the coalition government, and I don't hold the coalition against the Liberal Democrats to the extent most of you do. It's not the government I'd have chosen, but I'm quite tolerant of the notion of political compromise as it's something natural to more proportional voting systems, something I want, and the Liberal Democrats want, and Labour does not. For what it's worth, there are aspects of the Liberal Democrat record in coalition that are unfairly criticised. The most obvious is tuition fees, and the rage against that change is illustrative of how many in this country are happy to take a very strong stance on something they don't remotely understand.
In the end I'm content to vote for a Liberal Democrat in the constituency I live in. They're nowhere near perfect and I'm significantly more left wing than they are. What I will not buy however is this notion that Corbyn good Swinson bad, Labour good Lib Dem bad. It's juvenile as all hell and it is getting this country nowhere. It's always, always, always someone else's fault with you lot.
I think unity is a pretty ballsy name anyway considering who isn't in favour of it.
So Lib Dems refusing to work with Corbyn would be Corbyn's fault, and Corbyn refusing to work with Cooper would be Corbyn's fault.
I really don't know about it. Boris' latest moves make me think he's bluffing hard.
Why do you need a national government of unity to do that?Cummings might not be a political genius, but he won't have to be to beat this shower of remainers. We're gonna crash out on October 31st and this lot are arguing over who should put the extension request in, fucking hell.
That's all a Government of National Unity needs to do. Pick a PM, send them to Brussels, get the request approved. Then they can disband to fight over what to do next. That's all we need, but the remain side are squabbling like infants in the face of it. Hard not to despair.
You don't. Call it whatever you want, a GONU, a minority administration, a coalition, a one day 'I can't believe it's not a government' government or whatever. Point is that the Remainers aren't going to do what it takes to stop the no deal Brexit we're looking at. They each have their reasons, but you look at the other side and you can see exactly what the no dealers are willing to do to get their way, and they're winning because of it.
He won't. He won't survive the election to come if he begs for an extension. The Tory Party's survival depends on it now. That's the priority.I really don't know about it. Boris' latest moves make me think he's bluffing hard.
To that point, the latest plan is basically a very basic rewrite of May's no deal scenario: enforcing EU regulations while being out of the EU to ensure the flow of goods towards the country.
I can see him begging for a extension while keeping a stern face. The real question is if the EU will accept it, given that some member states have already written off the UK and others don't care that much.
There are a significant number of tories who believe that Corbyn as PM, if only for a short amount of time, would be worse than brexit. And as dumb as that seems it’s what we have to work with.
You need someone who has no political career or future but who is highly regarded by the commons to do it. Either from the commons or the house.
Just bringing the government down doesn't stop the Brexit no deal train.
I know, but first things first.