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Oct 26, 2017
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Broken clock is right twice a day etc

And that clock is completely fucked.
The electoral watchdog has rejected the ChUKas' logo for the European Elections on the ground of it being "likely to mislead voters".



The ChUKas will instead be accompanied on the ballot by a blank space.

... I swear to God, reality is becoming funnier than any amount of satire you could ever write.

This is amazing. I wonder if marks on the blank space count as spoilt ballot.
 

RedSparrows

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YouGov is owned by Tory peer, Brexit fan and noted avoider of taxes Lord Ashcroft though, so pinch of salt and all that.

Can anyone articulate what this actually means, though? This is very easy to say, but is it actually born out by YouGov polling over time? What is the actual substance of this beyond 'someone owns it ergo it's completely compromised by their politics'?
 

kradical

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Oct 25, 2017
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YouGov is owned by Tory peer, Brexit fan and noted avoider of taxes Lord Ashcroft though, so pinch of salt and all that.

No it isn't. I don't think he is involved in YouGov at all other than possibly commissioning them to do some polls for him.

Can anyone articulate what this actually means, though? This is very easy to say, but is it actually born out by YouGov polling over time? What is the actual substance of this beyond 'someone owns it ergo it's completely compromised by their politics'?

Their polls tend to skew more for the Tories than other polls, one of their founders is now a Tory MP (Nadhim Zahawi ) and they do have prominent conservative supporters in key positions, but their methodologies are sound and there's no evidence or suggestion they deliberately skew their polls to favour the conservatives.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Can anyone articulate what this actually means, though? This is very easy to say, but is it actually born out by YouGov polling over time? What is the actual substance of this beyond 'someone owns it ergo it's completely compromised by their politics'?

It really doesn't mean anything, they have good polls and bad ones just like every other pollster, it's just something that's brought up after every poll they produce, normally by someone who doesn't like the numbers they've come up with.
 

31GhostsIV

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Oct 26, 2017
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Can anyone articulate what this actually means, though? This is very easy to say, but is it actually born out by YouGov polling over time? What is the actual substance of this beyond 'someone owns it ergo it's completely compromised by their politics'?

I'm wrong anyway, Ashcroft owns 'Ashcroft Polls'. YouGov was always Tory funded however.
 

LL_Decitrig

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I'm looking at the EU elections and, although I've been having second thoughts about Labour because of their strategy of trying to implement brexit rather than simply opposing it, I don't think I have any realistic option other than to support the party in these elections.

If we leave the EU anyway it won't make any difference, but if sanity should prevail at the last minute I would want my local MEPs to be part of a broad left group within the European Parliament.
 

Psychotext

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Oct 30, 2017
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Even then it would rely on equipment at the border... which is pretty much universally acknowledged to be a bad idea.
 

kradical

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The blockchain will save us
 

Psychotext

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Oct 30, 2017
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IoT, Blockchain, Machine Learning.

Based on buzzword bingo we're looking at a £22bn project at minimum. :D

Might be time for me to start contracting again!
 

Becks'

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Dec 7, 2017
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England folks don't care. They would rather have Brexit and NI to join ROI as well as Scottish independence than cancel Brexit altogether.
 

Dougald

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Oct 27, 2017
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IoT, Blockchain and Machine Learning? Now that's more like it, reads just like one of the many spam mails I get to my work account

As soon as you see any of them together (and, usually, Blockchain anywhere), you know it's BS
 

LL_Decitrig

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IoT, Blockchain, Machine Learning.

Based on buzzword bingo we're looking at a £22bn project at minimum. :D

Might be time for me to start contracting again!

Tempting. I initially went freelance in the UK in the 1980s, as an insurance against thatcherism. I'm officially retired but my noggin is stuffed to the brim with Machine Learning techniques. The only thing stopping me now is that I no longer need more money to care for my loved ones. I just need to be there, every day, just in case.

Dammit, I've become a Protector.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protector_(novel)

Just keep me close to a good source of tree-of-life root.
 

pulsemyne

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Oct 30, 2017
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Channel 4 are currently pouring a massive bucket of shit on Aaron Banks and his relationship with Robbie Gibb. Seems both were very happy to help each other with Gibb even possibly stopping the Beeb run a story about Leave.EU targetting far right groups on facebook with their ads.
For those who don;t know who Robbie Gibb is, he was BBC news top man and is currently the PM's communication chief. Nick Boles said he was a hardcore brexiter...
 

Gareth

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Oct 25, 2017
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Revealed: Brexit group covered up its targeting of right-wing extremists
Brexit-backer Arron Banks repeatedly denied that Leave.EU appealed to National Front supporters – in a bid to get the BBC to drop an investigation

Arron Banks repeatedly lied to cover-up his Brexit campaign's effort to attract far-right extremists.

Leave.EU paid for Facebook adverts targeted at supporters of the National Front, the BNP, Britain First and the EDL.

But when the BBC asked for a response to a story they planned to run, Mr Banks sent a barrage of emails in an attempt to get the story dropped.

Leaked emails, seen by Channel 4 News, show Mr Banks insisted the BBC's accusation were "wholly wrong" – despite his own staff telling him the story was true.

One Leave.EU employee told him: "Those are our ads, we have targeted those groups since the beginning of the campaign as they gain most traction."

Another Leave.EU staffer proposed telling the BBC: "We pay for target ads for all political parties, not just right wing."

But Mr Banks replied: "Not the right answer."

Instead, Mr Banks told the BBC: "It's wholly wrong to say we have targeted extreme right parties… your report needs to reflect this or it will be biased and if we have to we will take whatever legal action we need."

Andy Wigmore, Leave.EU's Head of Communications, even appealed to the head of BBC Westminster, Robbie Gibb, in a further attempt to prevent the story from being run.

Mr Gibb is now Theresa May's head of communications.

In a series of late night emails to Mr Gibb, Mr Banks described the story as a "smear campaign" and threatened to make a formal complaint.

Afterwards, Mr Banks emailed another Leave.EU director, saying: "I don't think they will Run it after all that lot . You will have a busy week next week since Robbie will react by giving us massive exposure."

The BBC dropped its investigation. They told us this was because they were unable to establish that Leave.EU had targeted far right groups deliberately.

A version of this story about Leave.EU targeting the far right was eventually reported by the Sunday Times.

In his book about the referendum campaign, Arron Banks recounted the incident, claiming: "Robbie Gibb is being quite helpful and says he's trying to hose it down."

The former Chairman of the BBC Trust, Lord Patten, told us: "These are serious allegations and that the BBC's Director General should investigate why the story was dropped".

The BBC told us our story is "untrue" and that they had resisted pressure from Arron Banks.

Instead, the broadcaster said it dropped the story because their reporter was unable to establish that Leave.EU had targeted far right groups deliberately.

The BBC said Mr Gibb was not the editor involved with the story and had no say in the decision not to run it.

And it said it has seen no evidence to substantiate claims their editorial standards were compromised in any way.

Robbie Gibb told Channel 4 News: "These allegations are ridiculous and without merit. I remain proud of my contribution to the BBC's impartial coverage of the 2016 EU referendum campaign."

When asked for a response to this story, Leave.EU questioned our methods and journalistic integrity – and also threatened to post one of our journalist's personal phone number on social media.
 

Zaph

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meanwhile, back in reality, we can't even centralise NHS appointments after a decade of work
 

kradical

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Channel 4 are currently pouring a massive bucket of shit on Aaron Banks and his relationship with Robbie Gibb. Seems both were very happy to help each other with Gibb even possibly stopping the Beeb run a story about Leave.EU targetting far right groups on facebook with their ads.
For those who don;t know who Robbie Gibb is, he was BBC news top man and is currently the PM's communication chief. Nick Boles said he was a hardcore brexiter...

 
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Uzzy

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Oct 25, 2017
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England folks don't care. They would rather have Brexit and NI to join ROI as well as Scottish independence than cancel Brexit altogether.

The voters might not, but the MPs can't be seen to be doing that (not yet at any rate), so they'll keep promoting their 'alternative technological arrangements' fantasy, ignoring the fact that the time to actually design and implement those alternative technological arrangements is already being eaten into.
 

Tygre

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Oct 25, 2017
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Channel 4 are currently pouring a massive bucket of shit on Aaron Banks and his relationship with Robbie Gibb. Seems both were very happy to help each other with Gibb even possibly stopping the Beeb run a story about Leave.EU targetting far right groups on facebook with their ads.
For those who don;t know who Robbie Gibb is, he was BBC news top man and is currently the PM's communication chief. Nick Boles said he was a hardcore brexiter...

The BBC have a lot to answer for regarding Robbie Gibb.

They never will of course. They'll just keep making the same shitty mistakes.
 

Psychotext

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Oct 30, 2017
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meanwhile, back in reality, we can't even centralise NHS appointments after a decade of work
That's the really funny part about people arguing that it's do-able.

We can't even do simple shit that's been trivial since the early 90s. Just exactly how the fuck do you think we're going to manage to come up with a first of its kind, cross-border, bleeding edge tech diamond standard system?

We can't even trust our fucking contractors to come up with a simple recruitment website after giving them pretty much all the money in the world.

Fuck, HMRC can't even pass what I'm going to pay / my VAT period from one system to another. I have to re-type it.
 
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This is a general election poll, but it shows they're all all over the place at the moment! 23% for the Tories is incredible.

23% is the lowest detected vote share since 1997, and would be the worst result since the Great Reform Act 1832.
 

Tygre

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Oct 25, 2017
11,110
Chesire, UK
Polling is, to not put too fine a point on it, all over the fucking place atm.

We've had 2 years of polling stagnation, possibly explained by everyone holding their breath to see what Brexit looked like, possibly explained by nothing but Brexit happening politically and almost nobody actually caring.

And now suddenly we're getting 10pt shifts in a week.
 

KingSnake

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Oct 25, 2017
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Comres poll is an earlier one. I think that if you put them on proper timeline they're not so all over the place. The latest Yougov one might show that they're stabilising a bit now.
 

Noodle

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Aug 22, 2018
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I didn't know Nick Clegg had become Facebook's Head of Global Affairs. How do you square working for one of the biggest exploiters of far-right hate on the planet?
 

kradical

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Oct 25, 2017
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Comres poll is an earlier one. I think that if you put them on proper timeline they're not so all over the place. The latest Yougov one might show that they're stabilising a bit now.

The Comres poll is apparently new for tomorrow's Telegraph, but I can't find too much info on it other than people talking about it on twitter. The last published Comres poll (5-7 April) had Labour and the conservatives both on 32%
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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Non Brexit, but another day, another Daily Mail front page bemoaning basic democratic rights. Today's edition: the right to peaceful protesting.
 

Tygre

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Oct 25, 2017
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Chesire, UK
D'hondt is a shit method of proportional representation, as applied in the UK for EP elections, episode 273:



If combining or dividing your existing vote share can MORE THAN DOUBLE your number of seats, that's a really shitty PR system.
 
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CeeCee

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Oct 25, 2017
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This was discussed elsewhere, thought I would post it here as people might find it useful though:

If you live in the South East area for European elections, and you're left-wing and want to show support for Remain, I suggest voting Green and NOT Lib Dem or CHUK. Greens are likely to be marginal as to whether they get a seat or not, and they are both pro-Remain and will support a Socialist presidency (unlike the other two pro-Remain parties). Given that it's very very close between the Socialists and the centre-right for the presidency, that second point is important.

Note: London is its own area, so if you live in London ignore that.
 
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