Perhaps the candidate "never felt truly at home" in the party Chuka.
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BREXIT |OT2.0| A parade of endless victories for Boris Johnson
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Perhaps the candidate "never felt truly at home" in the party Chuka.
I think they blew that opportunity, should have used the initial momentum and tried to make it like a fresh start for both parties, now they will just be absorbed by the libdems.
If they don't decide to go it alone and slowly die off as a group.
will the speaker allow it?
And sounds like 'no deal or no brexit' is just the government trying to scare both extremes into voting for it.
Merge? Probably won't happen.
The ChUKas have squandered basically any and all warm feelings towards them from the Lib Dems, once it emerged the plan was to kill and eat them. Tables have turned on that one.
MPs return June 4th to form a new session of Parliament. So it can be brought back again after that day.
I'd bet though if you add up the MPs who want to remain and those who want no deal you get a majority.
I'm sure this will dominate the front page of every newspaper in the UK for the next 6 months
Judging from the replies I would imagine you will get praise for it instead. Disgusting.
Silly me, I always thought my being Jewish was a matter of religion not race. the Tories passionate and apolitical defence against antisemitism on race grounds has, however, proved me wrong.
The real fun would be going to Ruth Davidson and asking her about it.
I'm sure she'll tie herself in knots to get to a conclusion where it's acceptable that the Scottish Tories accept the definition and the UK Party rejects it.
I'm sure she'll tie herself in knots to get to a conclusion where it's acceptable that the Scottish Tories accept the definition and the UK Party rejects it.
Wheels already falling off the Cuks train.
They have badly, badly misjudged the strength of other parties and the political game of the lib dems.
At this point they might as well become a vessel for the lib Dems.
Oh no, they might walk around slowly while being racist. Wait, that's no different to how they are now.
I'm far more concerned about the effect it would have on the next election than I am gammons taking to the streets. Although they got an MP murdered last time, so I don't feel too comfortable being flippant about it.
They'd get a handful of MPs at best. It's one thing doing well in a PR based European election with low turnout, and quite another getting MPs (especially given the complete lack of policies).
Remember, you're talking about Farage. The man who has failed to get elected as an MP SEVEN TIMES.
Remember, you're talking about Farage. The man who has failed to get elected as an MP SEVEN TIMES.
i think i'd normally agree with you but May is testing the party to destruction on Brexit.
Yeah this is my major concern. This wouldn't be like UKIP sniffing at their heels as they were prior to the referendum - revoking article 50 could absolutely wreck them. Who knows how that would look in a GE.
The Tory party has been privitising the NHS bit by bit for a decade. Doesn't seem to stop people voting for them
A man called Reckless is leading a Welsh Assembly Brexit Party group.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48275830
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-48275830
Guys, I'm stuck. I'm from Harrow East, who voted Conservative for the past 3 GEs. I want to vote Labour, but I do not trust this party in to giving us at least a second ref.
Green Party and LD are other options but they never ever came close to winning anything in this area.
I think I answered my own fecking question. Labour. *sigh*
Green Party and LD are other options but they never ever came close to winning anything in this area.
I think I answered my own fecking question. Labour. *sigh*
If it's for the Euro elections it's a form of PR. There's still room for tactical voting because of thresholds for MEPs but you're much more free to vote your conscience.
That doesn't matter for a European election. You're in the London constituency. Aside from Labour and Tories you currently have 1 UKIP and 1 Green MEP.
Yeah but it isn't so obvious. Farage saying American Healthcare is a bit different and not quite on the same level as Mr Hunt.
Still, people will probably still vote Tory, maybe not enough to gain power but the Brexit Party is never winning a GE or getting massive slice.
This is a European election, so you're in the London constituency.
Looks like both Greens and Lib Dems are viable options (8 MEPs, Green and Lib Dems were 4th and 5th last time).
Edit: slight mistake, Greens got I think the 8th MEP last time, Lib Dems didn't get one.
I agree that Farage's current bunch won't get anywhere in a GE. They have no policies beyond Brexit.
It sounds like a farce, but Neil Hamilton being a member of the Assembly proved that already, how old brown envelopes is allowed to stand i will never know, but nothing seems to stop Garden-bridges from being an MP either.
Still fascinated to see what the turnout is for the Euros, all the talk would make you think it will be the largest turnout we've ever had for an EU election but can't help thinking a lot of people wont show up.
Previous record high was 38.52% in 2004, so not a huge bar to beat, but who knows. Record low was 24% in 1999. I wouldn't be totally shocked if either record was broken.
I do wonder how "clear" the Brexit policies of the other parties would be if they were in opposition, with actual influence on what happens next and the possibility of getting into power in the next GE.
And also how much of the lack of clarity of Labour's policy is apocryphal FUD - they're still following the approach agreed at the last party conference, and it's hardly complicated or unclear - just unpalatable to remainers.
Sorry but claiming the confusion over labour's policy is just bitter remainers is utter nonsense. We had Keith Starmer saying just a few days ago that any brexit deal would need a confirmatory vote - but that's not policy at all!
Labour has been all over the place on this. Even for political spectators knowing exactly where they will land is a guessing game. Expecting people to understand a position that was specifically and directly crafted to be as confusing and obfuscating as much as possible is ridiculous.
Labour has been all over the place on this. Even for political spectators knowing exactly where they will land is a guessing game. Expecting people to understand a position that was specifically and directly crafted to be as confusing and obfuscating as much as possible is ridiculous.
Just your usual shite politics, isn't it? Try to play as close to the middle as possible to get as wide a net as possible over voters, so you get into power.
He said a compromise deal isn't going to get through Parliament without a confirmatory deal. That's not contradictory to the Labour policy, just a reflection of the reality of what is likely to command a majority in the house.
i thought we all knew the labour policy, customs union and a little fairy magic, besides that it's letting the tories fuck themselves up first.
it's not very deep and the new vote stuff doesn't matter until the tories give way over it which will be a bloodbath.
it's not very deep and the new vote stuff doesn't matter until the tories give way over it which will be a bloodbath.
The leadership haven't followed the policy, it was supposed to be a process where they accept a good deal can't be achieved, accept an election won't be called, and then back a second vote. But they refuse to to accept either of the first two, hence people are right to be confused because a vote for labour is a vote for a deal (containing who knows what), a general election (fought on who knows what), or a second vote (consisting of who knows what)...
They should be out there now campaigning in Brexit areas for a second vote because that's the only way Brexit will happen, and in remain areas because it's the only way to stop it, that's what alternative dimension Pro-EU Farage would be doing, and he'd be winning.
Who are the 41% who think BREX's policy on Brexit is not clear? And 51% of people think UKIP's policy is not clear?
Is there something I'm missing?
The entire negotiation process currently happening, as pointless as it's going to turn out to have been, is still part of the first step of at least attempting to secure a deal that meets their criteria.
It's a weird poll, we know the tory policy, they even had an agreement ready to sign.
Shouldn't have a general election after a referendum that split the country.
What is their policy on Brexit? Seems they're pretty set on no deal, but that's only the beginning, what happens after that? There's no clarity at all on the actual practicalities.
If any rotten EU types hold up the unpaid £39 billion as a prerequisite of a trade deal it'll be sooooooo unfaaaaaaiirr
Sure we know that the brexit party support brexit, but no one can agree what that looks like.
Just ignore the croissant eating bastards, 5 years later we're in the clear.
Yeah I agree with this, and if they continue down that path as they are, it'll put a hard cap on how much support they get overall.
Even the Tories know they have to fund the NHS JUST enough, whilst privatising parts that arent too critical and people won't miss to much being privatised. The austerity ridden Tories don't allocate 20 bill that easily.
Part of the surge of support and votes lab had in the 2017 GE was due to pledges about the NHS and improving it.
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