This is the only thing that is scary to me if there is the best case scenario of a second ref. If Remain does another London focused, "look at the recovery you would lose" campaign when they need people that never saw any recovery we'll just get a repeat.Very broadly speaking, support for leaving the EU *is* strongest in the lowest income brackets.
He's not going to win power and deliver a soft Brexit because the Tories will never call for a GE while Brexit remains unresolved. It would be suicide.
There aren't the numbers in parliament for no-deal, second referendum or soft Brexit and those numbers won't change without a GE, but we aren't going to get a GE because of the rise of the Brexit party. We are completely trapped unless a Boris decides to have a second referendum and gets his party onside. It's either that or revoke article 50. We have to assume that Corbyn would still campaign for a soft Brexit in a new referendum so the fuckwit has clearly learned nothing. He's still trying to play 4D chess on a one-dimensional issue.
God help the Brexit party if they ever have to provide a manifesto. Their entire appeal is based on offering a collection of vaguely described fantasies. And even with that, they can't win in what should have been an ideal seat for them. Force them to actually have some policies and they'll lose a chunk of those voters and only be good for splitting the Tory vote nationwide.
Very broadly speaking, support for leaving the EU *is* strongest in the lowest income brackets.
First question I would ask is what bracket do technically lowish income but asset rich (paid off houses and cars) with low expenses retirees come under?
I'm trying to look at the poll data but it's coming up as a mess on my phone.
Also I've just noticed that those income brackets are by household, not individuals. £40k+ by household is going to be a huge chunk of the population.I've always wondered how that works with income-based q's on polls.
Also I've just noticed that those income brackets are by household, not individuals. £40k+ by household is going to be a huge chunk of the population.
Source? ONS says £28k was median disposable income in 2018.
I don't understand this. bXP wouldn't exist without Farange, but somehow they would have done better and won without him?Good , let the bxp put the foot in the mouth more with an ever increasing voter base. The more bxp turns into a UKIP but with a blue shade instead of purple, the more people will fuck off voting for it and coalesce the other parties. Farage will never entertain this, but he is one of the reasons why they lost.
I guarantee Farage will scream they need more funding, and more fake news shit rather then improving the much needed aspects of his party.
Huh, ok, thanks for the info. My understanding of what counts as median is probably badly skewed by living in London.I assumed the poll was referring to disposable income (I.e net after income tax), as in my experience that's the stat that's more often used, though I don't know. If it's gross, the gross median is £34k and 60-70% of households have a gross income of less than £40k.
Here's the source for the gross income https://www.statista.com/statistics/813364/average-gross-income-per-household-uk/ (5th decile group=median)
There's a historical "Farage effect", though I can't remember what it's actually called in the analysis I've read. He's very polarising - his fans love him but the majority of people hate him. He's like Trump in that he has a high floor but a very low ceiling.I don't understand this. bXP wouldn't exist without Farange, but somehow they would have done better and won without him?
I'm sure that a hypothetical new Remain campaign would have a different message targeting those areas, but I think people need to be realistic about this and acknowledge that Leave is fundamentally driven by cultural revanchism, and swathes of the Labour base were never culturally liberal and won't be reconciled to the country changing in ways they don't like. Success of Remain will hinge on mobilizing the sectors of the population that embrace internationalism and the changing face of Britain.This is the only thing that is scary to me if there is the best case scenario of a second ref. If Remain does another London focused, "look at the recovery you would lose" campaign when they need people that never saw any recovery we'll just get a repeat.
Corbyns tactics just defended a seat in a 61% leave constituency. There is no spin needed when the result is there in front of you.
The Tories are now deselecting people for voting for May's deal lol.
The Tories are now deselecting people for voting for May's deal lol.
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Do any of you guys know where to score a few grams of quality Chinese skag?
Boris Johnson ramped up his campaign to become Britain's next prime minister, vowing to take the country out of the European Union with or without a deal on Oct. 31 and promising to hold onto money owed to the bloc until terms of the divorce become more favorable to the U.K
Boris has done an interview for the papers which will appear tomorrow....
He is going to withhold the 39billion until they give us a deal we want
... When our hand will be much, much weaker?
How dense are these people?
There was never an endgame because Leave wasn't supposed to win.Funny how we went from easiest deal in history to better deal to Norway deal to single market to May's WA to Canada to No Deal is what we voted for.
I mean WTF. Maybe that was always their end game because it's clear it can't be much else as per that EU slide from yonks ago. It really is just a con by rich opportunists and coat tale hangers on.
BoJo back at it, I'm sure the EU are breaking sweats over 39 billion spread over 40 years
If May couldn't do the "divide and conquer" approach with the EU, I'm not sure what makes this clown think he can
It's not even just that, we've probably lost way more than 350 million a week since this farce started.