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BREXIT |OT2.0| A parade of endless victories for Boris Johnson
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This is the only thing that is scary to me if there is the best case scenario of a second ref. If Remain does another London focused, "look at the recovery you would lose" campaign when they need people that never saw any recovery we'll just get a repeat.
Well, i take it if he's campaigning for soft brexit then he would have won the election and be in a coalition where the other option is remain, i'm not crossing that bridge or worrying about it until we get there, but there's a difference between his own position and what he will be able to achieve. As for the future of the tories and the government, god knows, it will depend who they choose i suppose.
"We can't release our manifesto yet, as it is under audit, but you'll see it after the election"
First question I would ask is what bracket do technically lowish income but asset rich (paid off houses and cars) with low expenses retirees come under?
I'm trying to look at the poll data but it's coming up as a mess on my phone.
I've always wondered how that works with income-based q's on polls.
Also I've just noticed that those income brackets are by household, not individuals. £40k+ by household is going to be a huge chunk of the population.
Source? ONS says £28k was median disposable income in 2018.
I assumed the poll was referring to disposable income (I.e net after income tax), as in my experience that's the stat that's more often used, though I don't know. If it's gross, the gross median is £34k and 60-70% of households have a gross income of less than £40k.
Here's the source for the gross income https://www.statista.com/statistics/813364/average-gross-income-per-household-uk/ (5th decile group=median)
I don't understand this. bXP wouldn't exist without Farange, but somehow they would have done better and won without him?
Huh, ok, thanks for the info. My understanding of what counts as median is probably badly skewed by living in London.
There's a historical "Farage effect", though I can't remember what it's actually called in the analysis I've read. He's very polarising - his fans love him but the majority of people hate him. He's like Trump in that he has a high floor but a very low ceiling.
So basically BXP is only doing as well it does because of him, his financial backing and his media savvy. But at the same it's not going to do as well as it potentially could because of how he turns off some people who could potentially support BXP otherwise.
I'm sure that a hypothetical new Remain campaign would have a different message targeting those areas, but I think people need to be realistic about this and acknowledge that Leave is fundamentally driven by cultural revanchism, and swathes of the Labour base were never culturally liberal and won't be reconciled to the country changing in ways they don't like. Success of Remain will hinge on mobilizing the sectors of the population that embrace internationalism and the changing face of Britain.
Telegraph front page.
The Telegraph has steadily become more rabid, all while trying to convince everyone that it's still a "quality" newspaper.
Telegraph front page.
That Rees Mogg quote is something else, I'm sure Lord Mogg and his Mother in law Lady Muck got their titles straight from Jesus or something.
Isn't there meant to have been a load of 'Kiper's and Brexit party loons joining up to do the deselecting?
This seems OTT even for the conservative party base.
Funny how we went from easiest deal in history to better deal to Norway deal to single market to May's WA to Canada to No Deal is what we voted for.
I mean WTF. Maybe that was always their end game because it's clear it can't be much else as per that EU slide from yonks ago. It really is just a con by rich opportunists and coat tale hangers on.
I mean WTF. Maybe that was always their end game because it's clear it can't be much else as per that EU slide from yonks ago. It really is just a con by rich opportunists and coat tale hangers on.
Boris has done an interview for the papers which will appear tomorrow....
He is going to withhold the 39billion until they give us a deal we want
He is going to withhold the 39billion until they give us a deal we want
... When our hand will be much, much weaker?
How dense are these people?
He is just preaching to the choir. Saying whatever people want to hear. Simplistic just like his lying Brexit campaign. Big money number. It will probably work again.
I'm still confused as to what deal they expect to get from the EU, they are quite happy to offer a free trade deal, you just can't have your cake and eat it. We are still at the unsolvable stage because it's bloody stupid to do it any other way.
There was never an endgame because Leave wasn't supposed to win.
Everything since has been people getting progressively more boxed in as they keep running into reality but refuse to accept responsibility.
Christ he's so fucking stupid. Like that's the only toy in the fight they have (the eu) they can really fuck with us for much more than 39 billion €
No, Boris knows the base will absolutely love it. And he's right. The old people base will eat this up like catnip.
Aye, it's stuff straight out of the populism handbook. The man's been a professional grifter all his miserable life.
Brexit continues to be a complete shit-show. The lack of responsibility taken for the repercussions of leaving the EU is despicable and shameful.
Every Tory leadership candidate is coming up with more insane incendiary shite to dElIvEr bReXiT!!!! than the next, and its worrying. Raab saying he'd happily shut down parliament until the exit date is fucking mental. I guess the country doesn't have any other important business to handle in the meantime?
Then there's Boris imagining that he's got a can of petrol and a match ready to go to a pile of money, and that the EU will even care. Fucking hell.
All this while the Brexit party continue to rise in national polls and the other parties look to only be scrounging enough votes to possibly make a coalition possible to prevent them taking the top seat. Can you imagine the devastation if Farage has to put together a functioning government? We really will be a banana republic then.
Then there's Boris imagining that he's got a can of petrol and a match ready to go to a pile of money, and that the EU will even care. Fucking hell.
All this while the Brexit party continue to rise in national polls and the other parties look to only be scrounging enough votes to possibly make a coalition possible to prevent them taking the top seat. Can you imagine the devastation if Farage has to put together a functioning government? We really will be a banana republic then.
I wish people would see through her jolly persona. She isn't a nice person.
Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson endorsed home secretary Sajid Javid.
Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson endorsed home secretary Sajid Javid.
It's not even just that, we've probably lost way more than 350 million a week since this farce started. Ultimately it looks like a big number but grand scheme of things and what you get out of it, not a big deal but a lot of people can't see past it, this government would probably splurge 39 billion on some London centric vanity project than anything worthwhile. That railway for instance. On the other yeah, I would rather useless bastard MEPs like Farage etc didn't get euro for doing sod all and other waste I'm sure there is in the EU.
BoJo back at it, I'm sure the EU are breaking sweats over 39 billion spread over 40 years
If May couldn't do the "divide and conquer" approach with the EU, I'm not sure what makes this clown think he can
If May couldn't do the "divide and conquer" approach with the EU, I'm not sure what makes this clown think he can
Just the next crackpot Roman emperor who thinks he can subjugate everyone under his rule, without realising the empire is fading.
Lol highly doubt it.
Simon Coveney spokesman has already called bullshit on that.
He believes in homeopathy, so was already the worst health sec before he got the job and fucked the NHS
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