Britain voting for no deal is the equivalent of greece voting against another rescue program in 2015.It would be funny if all their bluster about no deal being on the table means a better negotiating position against the EU and in the end nothing changes. Likely.
Can't wait for all all the moderate Tories that voted against this to say "well I didn't think Boris would actually do it" in a few months time.
Their Scottish MPs in particular must be bricking it.
Gonna guess Kate Hoey and Frank Fields, for a start.It'll be interesting to see who on the Labour side voted against it (or more likely abstained), as the scale of the victory seems larger than most were expecting (which seems odd to say about a majority of 11!).
Yeah wow this whole thing has turned slightly more terrifying now Boris has opened his mouth.
We're going to crash our economy even more with a no deal aren't we. Fuck.
V stable, we could do better though
Yeah, there is just going to be a lot of posturing and "we won WW2" until September, when suddenly all will fold and whoever is PM at the time will go to Brussels every week to beg for an extension. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.Last time it took parliament looking down the barrel of the gun to just about take Brexit seriously. We're months away from that being the case again.
Yeah, there is just going to be a lot of posturing and "we won WW2" until September, when suddenly all will fold and whoever is PM at the time will go to Brussels every week to beg for an extension. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.
Scariest since Ghostwatch at least.Halloween this year will be scary and shitty there is no denying it.
For sure. He's such a twatBoris is going come ine spewing shit thinkong he dope. Then in like a month he will realise how shit won't work and start making fucked up remarks.
it's lies and it's stupid, this is not how it works, this is not how any of this works.
Heard IDS on Radio 4 earlier. He explained that Johnson's Brexit plan, in a 'no deal' scenario, is to invoke the WTO's General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), Article 24. I've heard this mentioned before and understand the general opinion is that it's nonsense?
Top Google hit is this opinion piece: A 'Managed No Deal' WTO option using Article 24 of GATT can avoid raising tariffs or quotas - David Campbell Bannerman
I assume this - and thinking like it - is the basis of the 'managed No Deal' soundbite. I have to admit that to a laymen, this article has me going 'hmmm... maybe it'll be OK?'. Or am I just clutching at straws ERA? Bring it up because IDS suggested this was Boris's explicit plan in the event of 'no deal' and he said he'd had it straight from the horses mouth. Given that PM Johnson / no deal is currently a likely outcome, I'm interested to understand more. Can anyone eli5?
it's lies and it's stupid, this is not how it works, this is not how any of this works.
My understanding of the issue with article 24 is that you either need to have a deal in place or both parties need to agree to its use. Therefore if the EU say they are not happy to trade based on article 24 then it isn't happening.
More here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47216870
Edit: It really pisses me off that these lies continue to be peddled unchallenged. I haven't heard the interview but these untruths painted as facts are the main reason we are in this mess!
because quoting it made a big splash and i started writing in the middle of it because i have fat fingers so i deleted all of it :pThanks for the link. Not sure why you've reduced my post to 'bullshit' - was trying to be clear that I was just asking the question! Helpful read there though.
because quoting it made a big splash and i started writing in the middle of it because i have fat fingers so i deleted all of it :p
No problem. Just to clarify my comment about peddling misinformation, I hope you didn't think I was referring to you. I was talking about the national news outlets whose job it is to ensure that factual information is presented to people.
Isn't that the general problem nowadays? Folk getting attached to reductive interpretations so they don't have to learn anything?just a matter of finding the right line and saying it repeatedly, rather than looking at the whole and trying to understand it!
Isn't that the general problem nowadays? Folk getting attached to reductive interpretations so they don't have to learn anything?
Quite true. But politicians really should know better, and our media certainly should be holding them to account and calling out their blatant lies and falsehoods. Instead, they're just letting the Brexiteers spread this myth which they know is blatantly wrong.
Anyway, good news is that Boris is totally going to respect the institutions of Parliament once he becomes PM.
So that's good.
On the bright side, the media will definitely hold him to account..
Oh no wait, that's a journalist/paid cheerleader for Boris threatening 'trouble' for other journalists who ask questions of him.
On the bright side, the media will definitely hold him to account..
Oh no wait, that's a journalist/paid cheerleader for Boris threatening 'trouble' for other journalists who ask questions of him.
Quite true. But politicians really should know better, and our media certainly should be holding them to account and calling out their blatant lies and falsehoods. Instead, they're just letting the Brexiteers spread this myth which they know is blatantly wrong.
Anyway, good news is that Boris is totally going to respect the institutions of Parliament once he becomes PM.
So that's good.