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BREXIT |OT2.0| A parade of endless victories for Boris Johnson
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It'll be interesting to see who on the Labour side voted against it (or more likely abstained), as the scale of the victory seems larger than most were expecting (which seems odd to say about a majority of 11!).
Britain voting for no deal is the equivalent of greece voting against another rescue program in 2015.
Everyone knows they'll be back at the again. Only question is how much economic damage are they willing to take beforehand.
Halloween this year will be scary and shitty there is no denying it.
I don't want o defend any of them, but this vote was silly as you were effectively gimping the new leader before he was in post, Labour just not being patient, this needs to be done if it looks like the new PM would do something silly
Not surprised it lost
Not surprised it lost
Even Boris knows there's a bunch of shameless self-serving MPs who would rather crash the economy than face an election.
The man's playing chicken and he's not moving.
aren't the remaining lot now in discussions with the libdem's, boris shouldn't rely on that too much.
Absolutely dispicable that 8 Labour MPs voted against the motion, it would have passed with their backing and we could have took the country off a knife edge. To the surprise of no one Kate Hoey voted against it.
It was the endgame as soon as may lurched to the right, and when her deal was voted down the first time.
Thankfully this is happening faster then I predicted, the end of the current Tory party is here way before the end if the current gov term. The Tories are ripping each other apart more quickly then I predicted.
The ground is fertile for a GE and growing by the hour.
Nah, BoJo will go full psycho and let the opportunity to govern the UK long term slip through his hands. We saw a snippet of it today with his presser, he can do the bravado, but as soon as detail is required he kinds fold like a cheap suit. He wants and likes a GE, so he's just waiting for the contest to be over.
Him becoming pm doesn't change the parliament makeup. The only, only thing parliament has voted for consistently since the last year is against no deal. It always comes down to the wire, which isn't the month.
The vote would never pass today, too early for this and frankly not needed the way things will go.
No deal will not happen on this parliaments watch, and the next one is shaping up to be even more remain the this one.
Yeah, there is just going to be a lot of posturing and "we won WW2" until September, when suddenly all will fold and whoever is PM at the time will go to Brussels every week to beg for an extension. Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat.
Does that still happen when a GE comes around by default when 5 years have passed?
There would still be no parliamentary arithmetic to get anything through right or does a majority government change that?
I wonder if deep down they just want someone else to hold the bag and deliver whatever just so they don't own it then shout quiet betrayals from the side lines while thinking thank fuck that's over then the cycle of Tory Eurosceptics wanting out the EU starts all over again but successive PMs don't act stupid like Cameron did until......the year is 2065, idiot Tory PM gives the public another vote on Europe.
Boris is going come in spewing shit thinking he dope. Then in like a month he will realise how shit won't work and start making fucked up remarks.
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Heard IDS on Radio 4 earlier. He explained that Johnson's Brexit plan, in a 'no deal' scenario, is to invoke the WTO's General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), Article 24. I've heard this mentioned before and understand the general opinion is that it's nonsense?
Top Google hit is this opinion piece: A 'Managed No Deal' WTO option using Article 24 of GATT can avoid raising tariffs or quotas - David Campbell Bannerman
I assume this - and thinking like it - is the basis of the 'managed No Deal' soundbite. I have to admit that to a laymen, this article has me going 'hmmm... maybe it'll be OK?'. Or am I just clutching at straws ERA? Bring it up because IDS suggested this was Boris's explicit plan in the event of 'no deal' and he said he'd had it straight from the horses mouth. Given that PM Johnson / no deal is currently a likely outcome, I'm interested to understand more. Can anyone eli5?
Top Google hit is this opinion piece: A 'Managed No Deal' WTO option using Article 24 of GATT can avoid raising tariffs or quotas - David Campbell Bannerman
I assume this - and thinking like it - is the basis of the 'managed No Deal' soundbite. I have to admit that to a laymen, this article has me going 'hmmm... maybe it'll be OK?'. Or am I just clutching at straws ERA? Bring it up because IDS suggested this was Boris's explicit plan in the event of 'no deal' and he said he'd had it straight from the horses mouth. Given that PM Johnson / no deal is currently a likely outcome, I'm interested to understand more. Can anyone eli5?
Would love to get someone sensible in as PM like Rory Stewart who would prevent No Deal (despite voting for it today) rather than Corbyn (who led a vote against No Deal today).
93% of Tories voted for No Deal today. 90% of Labour MPs voted against No Deal today.
93% of Tories voted for No Deal today. 90% of Labour MPs voted against No Deal today.
it's lies and it's stupid, this is not how it works, this is not how any of this works.
My understanding of the issue with article 24 is that you either need to have a deal in place or both parties need to agree to its use. Therefore if the EU say they are not happy to trade based on article 24 then it isn't happening.
More here:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47216870
Edit: It really pisses me off that these lies continue to be peddled unchallenged. I haven't heard the interview but these untruths painted as facts are the main reason we are in this mess!
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Thanks for the link. Not sure why you've reduced my post to 'bullshit' - was trying to be clear that I was just asking the question! Helpful read there though.
Thanks for this too.
because quoting it made a big splash and i started writing in the middle of it because i have fat fingers so i deleted all of it :p
No problem. Just to clarify my comment about peddling misinformation, I hope you didn't think I was referring to you. I was talking about the national news outlets whose job it is to ensure that factual information is presented to people.
Haha OK! :)
No worries, that's how I understood your comment. One of the reasons I asked is because I've seen some talk of it but not enough concrete info.
During the IDS interview he was trying to explain it and Evan Davis cut him off saying 'I don't want listeners to get lost in the detail' or words to that effect.
I just found that really frustrating. Like, if this is the best idea they have, they ought to be able to explain it so it can be seen for what it is (in this case, another hollow mess). Also, when we were given the vote in a referendum, Parliament implicitly invited the electorate to have an understanding and opinion on these details. It was a fucking stupid idea, but here we are.
Preventing people engaging with the actual substance of the issues is one of the big problems that has caused this utter shambles, so journalists should be holding their plans to account.
So the Brexiteers faith in Article 24 reminds me a lot of Sovereign Citizens, in that they think international relations and international law are just a matter of finding the right line and saying it repeatedly, rather than looking at the whole and trying to understand it!
Isn't that the general problem nowadays? Folk getting attached to reductive interpretations so they don't have to learn anything?
Quite true. But politicians really should know better, and our media certainly should be holding them to account and calling out their blatant lies and falsehoods. Instead, they're just letting the Brexiteers spread this myth which they know is blatantly wrong.
Anyway, good news is that Boris is totally going to respect the institutions of Parliament once he becomes PM.
So that's good.
Lol and my take was supposedly optimistic!!
Yeah right.
BoJo will make a.fucking.mess.of.it, he will go full psycho and fuck off his advisers soon enough, and do his godamned best to ram no deal through to the point the Tories will collectively shit pants enough to rue the day this voted for him. Remember not even holding the powerful office of FS was enough to deflate and temper his ego and his ability to fuck himself enough he has to fucking RESIGN less then 2 years into the job.
Beefy is on point, he will stroll into No10 thinking he's the hottest shit since slice bread and within a month become overwhelmed and panic stricken with the ABSOLUTE mess he has inherited. Then make fuckheaded comments and actions that makes Mays 2 years in the job look like a marathon.
The Daily Telegraph continues to be pure trash. At least the likes of the Sun and the Daily Mail have the decency to not pretend they're bastions of quality journalism.
I'm actually starting to look forward to Bojo's Brexit. It'll be a no deal, which will be a mess, and he'll rightfully go down in history as the cunt that caused it from start to finish.
And then hopefully this shitty egotistical country will be cured of its body dysmorphia.
And then hopefully this shitty egotistical country will be cured of its body dysmorphia.
Holy fucking shit. That any British journalist feels making a threat like this is acceptable, let alone one at a 'respectable' paper like the Telegraph, shows just how far we've fallen and how much worse it could get. She should lose her job for this and become persona non grata. More likely she'll get a promotion or a spot in Boris's press team.
Terrifying.
You know, I heard he had blue blood, but I didn't think it was the fucking Stuarts.
Shit, I can remember watching that as a kid and being very scared of ghosts.
He'll probably get over 100 votes. We're in for some bleak months with him at the helm, that's for sure.
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