No way should he fall on his sword for something he didn't leak.There is no right solution over this ambassador, if you sack him you look weak, if you keep him you look stupid...
Tbh he should fall on his sword, give him his pension on the quiet and get him out of there
No way should he fall on his sword for something he didn't leak.
Being Eurosceptic does not automatically make you a brexiteer.Secretly? Corbyn has been a Brexiter for 30 years and made no secret of it.
Let's take a look at some of his Brexiteer credentials shall we?Being Eurosceptic does not automatically make you a brexiteer.
oh yes that's why we're out of europe right nowHas consistently pushed in favour of Brexit ever since the referendum
Yes but centrists find themselves in the same predicament as terfs. You can't spend years loudly proclaiming you're something (shit) and then when the realisation kicks in that the label is toxic, suddenly become offended at your own proclamation. Even if I call someone a fucking centrist, it still doesn't make centrist a slur.
I think if you have a well reasoned progressive message and policies and can fully and robustly cost it out so that people can't hit you with the "deficit" or "borrowing too much money" etc a lot of people would be fine to vote for it.'Centrist' as an attack basically rests on 'if you aren't with us, you are against us'.
Obvs if you aren't a social democrat (and ain't no commie either) you aren't going to agree with one. The logic goes that you will thus be more interested in upholding the status quo. Which some of the time is true. But also sometimes...
isn't.
I think if you have a well reasoned progressive message and policies and can fully and robustly cost it out so that people can't hit you with the "deficit" or "borrowing too much money" etc a lot of people would be fine to vote for it.
The most attractive quality the Tories generally have is that they are more fiscally responsible (obviously not true but whatever) and so I think Labour need to work hard to show they are too, I think if you can do that then you've taken a big chunk of the centre ground.
The thing that always got me so fucking mad was when Cameron & Co were slamming Labour over "the deficit" when it was the financial fucking crash that fucked our economy up, not Labour spending too much. You can (and should) argue that Labour could have done more to scrutinise the banks (if they had tories would have freaked out) but it was Cameron's pals that destroyed the economy.Obvs so much of it is messaging. The great trick of the Tories et al is to be able to talk about fairness, justice, and 'safe hands' and not be laughed out the room.
Labour talking about tax and spend will always be cast as 'magix money tree'. But if that money is targeted well, and the messaging is clear, and the current Brexit lunacy that has Tories smashing the economy for ideology is exploited, then... That's better than not having it!
Take back control, sovereignty etc.Fucking lol-ing at the "tough" Brexit Party lot acting like wet tissue paper on this issue - "we can't make Daddy Trump angry"
Like I said in earlier discussions on the thread. The border issue was just game playing but basically got called a numpty
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48929182
I also had this thought today, the only way this can end is if BoJo is PM.I want Boris to win, and he will, not because of him, but because we need it...it is the only way Brexit gets done... the party will finally have no out, no remainers in charge... a true brexiteer, and when parliament blocks everything, as it will, it will inevitably lead to an election...
And whilst I agree that does not necessarily solve it, it will as well... as hopefully 2 part politics is now dead. Hopefully we will get get a coalition which tames both parties, one which pulls Corbyn more centre and one which pulls Johnson more left.
Why are all the curly braces right ones 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔"The Independent" was taken by the newspaper, so they just added an "s" after dropping "Group", it was easier than actually thinking of a name. Plus that curly brace in the logo is frustrating my programmer brain
Yeah, the border issue is more a choice of introducing border checks or allowing smuggling and tax dodging to go largely unchecked.I don't see where the game playing is though, and I thought it was always clear that Ireland had real problems with the idea of a border and splitting up the island again.
I want Boris to win, and he will, not because of him, but because we need it...it is the only way Brexit gets done... the party will finally have no out, no remainers in charge... a true brexiteer, and when parliament blocks everything, as it will, it will inevitably lead to an election...
And whilst I agree that does not necessarily solve it, it will as well... as hopefully 2 part politics is now dead. Hopefully we will get get a coalition which tames both parties, one which pulls Corbyn more centre and one which pulls Johnson more left.
I don't see how the tories could possibly go into a coalition that doesn't get brexit done, so thats the Libdem's out if they don't want to die permanently, and i'm expecting more chaos the way the remain/leftish vote is fractured.
Well I mean, the word "centrist" is used to denote being in the centre of the political spectrum, which by the way, is not the worst thing in the world and means they are potentially open to your way of thinking and can be brought round, which by the way, is necessary to win an election.
If twitter has started to use "Centrist" in a derogatory and offensive way and use it as an insult then it becomes an insult. So we'll just isolate and kick over to the other side the centre ground for what? Because we're mad that they're not left wing enough? It's just silly and reductive and generally not helpful and as I said earlier being a centrist in the UK is very different than being a centrist in the US, it's not quite as toxic.
Yeah and that's not good because you're making a word toxic for a thing it's not even applicable for.Honestly I don't really even use 'centrist' for people resting in the middle of the spectrum - it's a very specific kind of ideology, the boogies of the world. The people who pop up and ~both sides~ fascism or other nefarious shit. You saw a lot in the US recently, more concerned with the discourse around calling camps camps, than criticising those camps. Here we've seen it with people falling over themselves to condemn milkshakes. In this sense, there's little difference between US and British centrists.
Yeah and that's not good because you're making a word toxic for a thing it's not even applicable for.
Yeah and that's not good because you're making a word toxic for a thing it's not even applicable for.
I didn't make it toxic, they've done it themselves. That's how pejoratives work.
It's based on a false understanding of dialectics. Centrists see themselves as the synthesis and thus think their position has already been subjected to challenge and compromise and thus is above politics.I'm kinda lost on this centrist thing, is there a point on the political spectrum that doesn't get abuse and name calling, why would people in the centre be immune to attack?
Just on the logic of pejoratives: not necessarily... I mean, is 'chink' the 'fault' of Chinese people?
And before anyone fucking starts, no I am not comparing the two in terms of moral import.
But sometimes, the truth is in the middle.Centrists are the end point of the "truth is in the middle" "extremists" "both sides" bullshit that infests our politics. They are the result of "the end of politics" not actually existing. People who were comfortable in the 90s and 00s who don't recognise that the social order as they knew it then no longer exists.
Not every issue has a nice, pleasant, inoffensive middle position. The problems of the world will not be solved by desperately clinging to the status quo.