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BREXIT |OT2.0| A parade of endless victories for Boris Johnson
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My God, we get it. I'm a Labour voter through and through, have only ever voted for them. I don't even mind Corbyn, but this insistence that just because he's the leader of the biggest op party, that he's the ONLY option for leader of a temp, implicitly created for one goal, unity gove, is absolutely ridiculous. As has been quite clearly pointed out to you already, there are plenty of reasons why Corbyn risks the success of a unity gove, and why someone else, without his "baggage" is far more suited.
This isn't a Labour gove we're seeking, it is a gove, with a singular focus, to prevent one of the most horrifically damaging things that can happen to this country in a lifetime. It doesn't matter who supports this gove, and what they previously voted to support, the ONLY thing that matters is that they enable it to happen, so that the single implicit goal of the gove is successful and we can actually work to a longer term solution in a 2nd ref, and GE.
There isn't the time to faff about going "BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY LEFTIST BUT TORIES!!" as again, the ONLY goal of a unity gove, is to prevent No Deal Brexit and ensure a 2nd ref/GE.
Why is the discussion turning to whether Corbyn should/shoud not lead the unity government like it was the main issue we're facing?
The chances of a unity government happening are really low, and I don't think anyone high-up in Labour has said anything of substance regarding what they thought about it?
The only thing someone with actual chickens in the race has said was Swinson's declaration on how Corbyn is a bad man. And suddenly everyone is fighting about how bad Corbyn really is.
It all seems pretty nonsensical to me.
The chances of a unity government happening are really low, and I don't think anyone high-up in Labour has said anything of substance regarding what they thought about it?
The only thing someone with actual chickens in the race has said was Swinson's declaration on how Corbyn is a bad man. And suddenly everyone is fighting about how bad Corbyn really is.
It all seems pretty nonsensical to me.
Criticising Jo Swinson on the internet is not going to magically stop a potential unity government from happening. What a bizarre leap to make. And now is absolutely the time, even if it makes some lib dem supporters lose their cool.
And its not about calling her a Tory, its about her being a liar who seems more interested in power than stopping no deal.
Is publically attacking Jeremy Corbyn, going to make a unity government more likely? Of course not. But it might increase votes for Lib Dems. Which goes back to the point she is a known liar, who seems far more interested in getting more power than stopping no deal. In the interest of stopping no deal, Swinson should be trying to work with Corbyn, obviously, not playing politics to increase lib dem votes.
Its one thing to vote for Austerity, and vote for cuts, vote for the wealthy, vote against the environment, vote in favor of corporations and banks, its another thing to lie about it over and over, right to people's faces.
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You were criticising Jo Swinson, and I agree with pretty much everything you say about her. That said, you're now switching the context of your own post. It has absolutely nothing to do with Jo Swinson and her credentials. The context is whether it is worth arguing over who leads a unity gove, and as already stated, it is irrelevant, the only thing that matters is they get as much support across the house as possible. Corbyn is toxic to that goal, wrongly or rightly, so someone who isn't, is better suited.
I don't think this is entirely fair. It's not that they don't care, it's just secondary in their view to getting a Labour government. There's also a not totally unfounded suspicion that a lot of the centrist remain campaign have also been using the issue to try and get rid of Corbyn instead of just focusing on stopping no deal/Brexit.
I think they should re-prioritise to stopping Brexit first and ignore the centrists because I don't think any Labour government could make up for the damage caused but after almost 10 years of Tory austerity and the immense suffering caused I can see why it's so important to the Corbyn supporters here.
On the actual topic of a unity government, I'm really coming round to the idea that Corbyn and Labour should absolutely let someone else, preferably a Tory, but LD or Caroline Lucas if necessary, be the figurehead for this short-term government. It'll earn them some credit from remainers and If there's a leaver backlash to stopping no deal it'll mostly hit the figurehead, and if it's a Tory like Ken Clarke or Dominic Grieve then it'll hurt the Tories the most. There's also poetic justice in a Tory having to fall on the sword of stopping this Tory created shitshow.
Man this thread is just dudes arguing now.
Tories: immigrant and poor killing wastes. Racist as fuck.
Lib Dems: supported the Tories through all the shit they did. Lib Dems leaders voting record is 100% Tory. They come off to me as Tory lite. Only thing that is positive about them is they are pro remain.
Labour: Leader that is pro Brexit. Leader that has been fucked over by the press but sometimes doesn't help himself. Then you have the antisemitism and the New Labour dickheads making it even worse.
All these parties for me as a black immigrant aren't worth voting for.
Tories: immigrant and poor killing wastes. Racist as fuck.
Lib Dems: supported the Tories through all the shit they did. Lib Dems leaders voting record is 100% Tory. They come off to me as Tory lite. Only thing that is positive about them is they are pro remain.
Labour: Leader that is pro Brexit. Leader that has been fucked over by the press but sometimes doesn't help himself. Then you have the antisemitism and the New Labour dickheads making it even worse.
All these parties for me as a black immigrant aren't worth voting for.
I get really jealous of other EU countries who have Green MPs who are a viable option.
That would seriously be a major Silverlining for this whole shitshow.
First past the post :/
"We had a referendum and the people decided against voting reform in 2011" - Every MP when asked.
Labour are also pro FPTP :/ Give us a Labour minority government so they'll be forced to enact it.
To some people the only thing they think of when it comes to diversity is gender.
Seen it at graduate recruiter events when diversity is brought up and they focus solely on gender. Even had one guy on stage say in regards to ethnicity that he thinks 'the best person should get the job' which clearly meant he didn't give a fuck about increasing Bame representation.
All this talk about a unity Gov are simply playing into Johnson's hands... all Tory MPs view power above all else, voting against their own to stop a no deal is just that, not one of them would want Labour et al to gain power
Seemingly every side and/or party has been hit by a dose of insanity.
The SNP have been reasonably sensible in terms of not ruling out anything that will stop No Deal, but we'll see what happens in the next couple of weeks.
Completely outrageous, it's almost like they realise the options are severely limited, I don't want any of that kind of sensible thinking this side of the border thank you very much.
We'll just gloss over the fact it's a proposed government of national unity that includes someone who wants independence. Not sure how much credibility that brings to the situation.
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Retired sadly, he was too good for this world and had to return to his own.
I think unity is a pretty ballsy name anyway considering who isn't in favour of it.
So Lib Dems refusing to work with Corbyn would be Corbyn's fault, and Corbyn refusing to work with Cooper would be Corbyn's fault.
All MacBooks :p
How is that Lucas thing real, if that isn't proof they live in a bubble and love the sound of their own voices I don't know what is.
We are doomed.
Cummings might not be a political genius, but he won't have to be to beat this shower of remainers. We're gonna crash out on October 31st and this lot are arguing over who should put the extension request in, fucking hell.
That's all a Government of National Unity needs to do. Pick a PM, send them to Brussels, get the request approved. Then they can disband to fight over what to do next. That's all we need, but the remain side are squabbling like infants in the face of it. Hard not to despair.
That's all a Government of National Unity needs to do. Pick a PM, send them to Brussels, get the request approved. Then they can disband to fight over what to do next. That's all we need, but the remain side are squabbling like infants in the face of it. Hard not to despair.
I really don't know about it. Boris' latest moves make me think he's bluffing hard.
To that point, the latest plan is basically a very basic rewrite of May's no deal scenario: enforcing EU regulations while being out of the EU to ensure the flow of goods towards the country.
I can see him begging for a extension while keeping a stern face. The real question is if the EU will accept it, given that some member states have already written off the UK and others don't care that much.
Why do you need a national government of unity to do that?
Just vote for the opposition in a VONC then lend your vote if they need the numbers.
You can much them out after if you want
There are a significant number of tories who believe that Corbyn as PM, if only for a short amount of time, would be worse than brexit. And as dumb as that seems it's what we have to work with.
You need someone who has no political career or future but who is highly regarded by the commons to do it. Either from the commons or the house.
You need someone who has no political career or future but who is highly regarded by the commons to do it. Either from the commons or the house.
You don't. Call it whatever you want, a GONU, a minority administration, a coalition, a one day 'I can't believe it's not a government' government or whatever. Point is that the Remainers aren't going to do what it takes to stop the no deal Brexit we're looking at. They each have their reasons, but you look at the other side and you can see exactly what the no dealers are willing to do to get their way, and they're winning because of it.
He won't. He won't survive the election to come if he begs for an extension. The Tory Party's survival depends on it now. That's the priority.
The idea of a very controlled and acceptable to conservatives unity government is up there with the cabinet of women in daftness levels.
Just concentrate on bringing the government down and then people can put their money where their mouth is on Brexit.
Just bringing the government down doesn't stop the Brexit no deal train.
I know, but first things first.
Pretending the leader of the opposition doesn't exist and is against the idea of a unity government isn't going to lead anywhere either.
If some tories want to burn bridges then they can at least prove they have the fire.
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