Starting the 14 day clock after a VoNC without a solid action plan is risky as all hell.
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BREXIT |OT2.0| A parade of endless victories for Boris Johnson
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Starting the 14 day clock after a VoNC without a solid action plan is risky as all hell.
It's better than not starting it, it's not like time is on our side here.
It will give Boris the perfect setup for elections after the no deal while blame everything in the opposition who are just "sabotaging".
Didn't you all have enough of all this running towards the cliff without a plan?
We are currently running full pelt over a cliff with really jagged rocks below, changing course might lead to a softer landing.
Or MPs could stop treating the leader of the opposition like a leper and plan something better, but his position doesn't matter or something when bringing down a government.
They are talking about holding one straight away. Well according to Abbott anyway, but I don't know how the cross party bit is going.
So I'm pretty sure Johnson's strat is force no deal, and have an election immediately after before the jaws have really clamped down, to get himself as many years to distance the next election from the exit.
I won't have to wait long to find out if I'm right or not.
I won't have to wait long to find out if I'm right or not.
Well, the risk for the Johnson government is that even if mass layoffs don't happen on November 1, travel disruptions, importing restrictions and panic buying probably will happen on Day 1 anyway.
He might be tempted to have the election before, but at the latest possible point, just so he can turn up to a debate and ask Corbyn "would you extend the deadline?" knowing he basically has to say "Yes". Played right it would probably secure him most of the Brexit vote, and then divide and conquer the rest by giving the Lib Dems some easy wins.
If we're talking 3-D chess, wouldn't a day 1 election stop the news reporting on any big problems due to purdah rules? 🤔🤔🤔
I'm sure he could get away with some of the early chaos with blaming the EU for putting us in this situation and then put the cherry on top with some post war reference "dig for victory" perhaps. Then it wont matter when the food runs out the following week as we can all pop down the local food bank!
Our elections tend to be on Thursdays. October the 31st is a Thursday, so we'd still be in the EU while voting was taking place.
BoJo thinks it will be over after October 31st, BWAHAHAHAHA it will not be over, not for years. At which point Brexit has either somehow turned out great in the long term, the country has greatly improved living standards to say, Canada level and even the younger generation is fine with being out or moves to rejoin either the EU itself or a close EEA relationship will have taken place.
That he's still saying 'by October 31st' like there's some scenario in which they leave on the 30th or before, shows just how detached from reality this rhetoric is.
That said, once he's crashed the car, he'll be able to point a figure at any MP that isn't helping him 'fix' it afterwards.
Boris is still going to win a next election. Makes me sick but that's what this country is now.
Tories have been prepping for weeks. Labour for months. While uncertain, an election wouldn't be unexpected.
I mean how long do they need from calling it to when it can happen given we are 80 days from leaving.
They really are lying bastards and you know people will latch onto the headline, job done, politicians will echo the headline, job done so you have two hits hammering home and probably proudly on BBC News etc. too,job done. The state of this country, how do fight this shite when the media and their buddies in parliament are in cahoots.
I don't know if you remember 2003 and the March to War, but seeing record protests as the conveyor belt of idiocy cranked on, was dispiriting. Draining? Nauseating?
Whatever the word is, it fucking sucks
That's from a June Poll, both sides are seriously as bad as each other now, manipulating anything that can be manipulated trying to play it to their own side.
Which is neither a leading question and ensures that the respondents actually understand what proroguing is.
... how about no?
Awww, I'm sorry that the answer I gave did not match what you wanted, but it's my opinion, and I'm quite valid to have it.
Who is both sides in this situation?
The editor of the Telegraph, and?
Part of the kerfuffle is the very idea of holding a Friday election. It makes the Rees-Mogg style "traditionalists" quite queasy. Not queasy enough to actually do anything about it ofc
No he doesn't. He just knows enough people are stupid enough to buy this bullshit and keep him as PM.
He's not a buffoon, he's a nasty, calculating, piece of work.
No, they're not.
No, you're not.
"Having an opinion" does not make that opinion valid, nor does it make you correct. It just makes you opinionated, a state of being which has no inherent value.
You're wrong, and your opinion is wrong.
I think the idea of a November 1st election to be a bit fanciful. Remainers on that day will be spitting mad, leavers would be largely sated as we'd be out, angry voters tend to be far more likely to vote. Labour facing leavers would largely think job done (there's quite a lot of evidence that a large tranche of BXP support is traditional Labour voters who may not vote Labour but for tribal reasons are extremely unlikely to vote Tory), Tory facing remainers would still be more likely to vote Lib Dems.
Newsflash, opinions can be wrong. If the only defence you can muster is "I'm allowed to say this" then there wasn't much behind it.
John Bolton wants Brexit - he will say anything to encourage it. He is not a man with a firm connection to the truth.
knowing John Bolton he probably means we're first in line for a war
John Bolton absolutely despises a multipolar world and probably wants Brexit because it makes the UK more manipulable and the EU weaker.
I mean, I joke a lot about Brexit, but if the UK goes belly up and splits, the EU is going to find itself in some dire straits retaining certain competencies in terms of defence, particularly in Northern waters.
People who want to stay safe should probably run in his opposite direction.
I mean, I joke a lot about Brexit, but if the UK goes belly up and splits, the EU is going to find itself in some dire straits retaining certain competencies in terms of defence, particularly in Northern waters.
People who want to stay safe should probably run in his opposite direction.
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