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Brexit |OT3| I'd Rather Be Inert in a Ditch

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des0lar

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
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So a deal was reached without DUP support? With Tory rebels and no DUP support isn't this deal dead in the water?
 

Razmos

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Oct 28, 2017
4,752
"Taking back control" just sounds like a dog whistle for the racist leave pricks to me
 

Dwebble

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
4,786
Johnson turning the screws on the DUP as we speak.
Still no DUP support, so a chance it won't pass parliament.
If there's DUP support, there's a chance it passes Parliament, but not a 100% certainty.

If there isn't by Saturday, the deal's as dead as a doorpost- the ERG won't go out in force for it, and there's zero chance that enough Labour rebels rescue it.
 
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Uzzy

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Oct 25, 2017
5,398
Wait so OT 3 is in this forum now? Not complaining btw.
I was thinking this could be both. There's clearly gonna be a lot of new events happening this weekend, and OT2.0 was getting close to the limit anyway. If we're back to delay by Monday then shoving it into the community forum makes sense, but until then, we're into the endgame.
 

Arkestry

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Oct 26, 2017
2,217
London
Are all the ex-Tory MPs really going to be on board with this? And the ERG? Seems too many contradictory positions across all the disparate groups.
 

Protome

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Oct 27, 2017
7,131
Johnson turning the screws on the DUP as we speak.

If there's DUP support, there's a chance it passes Parliament, but not a 100% certainty.

If there isn't by Saturday, the deal's as dead as a doorpost- the ERG won't go out in force for it, and there's zero chance that enough Labour rebels rescue it.
If Labour and the Lib Dems get an amendmend added for a second referendum it could pass without the DUP.
 

Snarfington

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
712
"Taking back control" just sounds like a dog whistle for the racist leave pricks to me
Yeah, "sounds like".

Gonna be a shit deal, shit Prime Minister, shit Brexit, shit election, shit whatever it is. It's all so defeating, they need to just hurry up and revoke it or start the campaign to rejoin already so I can at least have some hope it'll be reversed in my lifetime. Truly the king of all messes and all from something that was only advisory, it's one of the greatest self-owns in modern political history.
 

null

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Oct 25, 2017
6,126
without the DUP they don't have the numbers so are they going to allow a second ref? I don't see any other way
 

Hagi

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Oct 25, 2017
2,241
I thought this deal was supposed to be worse than Mays which everybody hated? why would the hard brexiteers go for it?
 

solidussnaku

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Nov 29, 2017
1,234
Hahaha, they genuinely just fucked off the dup and decided to agree a deal without them.

What the genuine fuck. Bojo is shitting bricks to do this move, he kills the deal when this goes ahead.

Hold on to your butts, this weekend is going to be a sight to se.
 

Arkestry

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Oct 26, 2017
2,217
London
If Labour gets the referendum tied to this, is it sort of in everyone's interest that this crappy deal is the thing on the ballot, rather than the inevitably softer brexit deal labour would secure? Or is it more likely to get leave folks and no dealers on board if it's harder?
 

kmag

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Nov 5, 2017
2,023
Still no DUP support, so a chance it won't pass parliament.
Some rumours that the DUP is split 7/3 for, which would give it a chance. I think the best for Johnson I've seen is a majority of 14 but that relied on only Rudd and Hammond of the ex-Tories (who voted for the deal) voting against, the DUP on board and 6 Labour Leavers.
 

Unclebenny

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Oct 28, 2017
511
Either this is amassive stupid gamble by the government or they have some secret votes up their sleeve.

History tells us that their secret plans only ever amount to bin full of nothing.
 

Arkestry

Member
Oct 26, 2017
2,217
London
Hahaha, they genuinely just fucked off the dup and decided to agree a deal without them.

What the genuine fuck. Bojo is shitting bricks to do this move, he kills the deal when this goes ahead.

Hold on to your butts, this weekend is going to be a sight to se.
Boris has played his cards by going for a deal, I think. He can't really go back to his No Deal posture after playing ball with the EU, and so he's all in on getting the deal through the door at this point.
 

Dwebble

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
4,786
If Labour and the Lib Dems get an amendmend added for a second referendum it could pass without the DUP.
The chances of a Johnson government allowing that are minimal to nil.

Tory HQ has calculated that a second referendum would be more harmful to them than No Deal- they'd sooner whip against their own deal than wave that through.
Some rumours that the DUP is split 7/3 for, which would give it a chance. I think the best for Johnson I've seen is a majority of 14 but that relied on only Rudd and Hammond of the ex-Tories (who voted for the deal) voting against, the DUP on board and 6 Labour Leavers.
Getting that many Tory rebels and the entirety of the DUP and the ERG onboard is a pipe dream as it stands.
 

Gareth

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Oct 25, 2017
2,368
Norn Iron
The DUP won't fold for a bit of cash if they believe the deal drives a wedge between NI and the rest of the UK and they have no real way to veto it. The union is everything to them.
 

Acorn

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Oct 25, 2017
9,851
Scotland
It's interesting to note that the DUP rejected the good Friday agreement too but got bounced by the UK govt.
 

Geoff

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Oct 27, 2017
5,561
Saturday is going to be amazing

Rugby WC quarter finals followed by Super Brexit Saturday then Palace are playing City in the early evening
 
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