One could argue this is already backfiring. Quite a few people in this thread who don't rate Corbyn much are annoyed by her hardline, pretty dishonest, stance, and it's the same on twitter. Not the real world I know but I don't think it's entirely meaningless either.
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BREXIT |OT3| I'd Rather Be Inert in a Ditch
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Everyone should report this given the timing.
We also have Uni strikes coming up.
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I think this is probably pretty good news for Labour combined with the current polling trends. Their renegotiate then referendum policy is easily defensible (although they definitely need a good, easily digestible response on how they'll campaign in the referendum), so they should make good headway in improving the perception of their position and get a boost in polling to go with it.
Like the Lib Dems, I suspect this is posturing and this will change in 13th December if the votes are needed.
The difference between Labour and the smaller parties saying this is, of course, that there is a theoretical chance that Labour are in a position where they don't need pacts or coalitions.
Oh goodness.
Glad it's being called out - who would it be reported to though ?
Also the SNP one is easy because they know they'll vote with them if they offer an independence referendum, so there's no need for a deal.
This is infuriating. If Labour do not win a majority, they will not be able to put their awesome legislative program before parliament because they won't be the government until they do a deal with someone.
Labour should just rule out doing a deal that gives Scotland independence and leave it at that.
One of the problems with an SNP pact is that if independence occurred then the UK parliamentary pact would by definition end. So ruling it out is not going to come back and bite them in the arse because it simply isn't going to be on the table in any confidence/coalition negotiation.
Labour doing a deal with the SNP that gives some sort of Devo-max (remember how that was supposed to happen after the 'close' referendum) seems like the only way we get a functioning left-wing government. Give Holyrood tax-raising powers or something. I suspect that would be a poisoned chalice since the SNP are a mix of old tartan tories and young tartan socialists, so setting tax policy would be hard (disclaimer: I'm pretty ignorant about Scottish politics so maybe they'll be fine at setting a popular tax-policy and show us English a thing or two).
There doesn't need to be a deal. Labour will just allow a second referendum and the SNP will vote with them.
Seriously don't believe anything anyone says about coalitions before an election.
The Tories gave £2bn to the DUP to secure their last majority, literally nothing is off the table.
The SNP has made it explicitly clear their one major goal outside of remaining in the EU is an Scottish independence. Scottish independence doesn't play well to anyone that isn't in scotland so during this election campaign they want nothing to do with the SNP because it's a well worn attack by the conservatives. Labour gains nothing by doing what your suggesting but opens them up to attack in the current hostile news environment.
Even after the election the most that would ever happen is confidence and supply. This is ignoring Sturgeon openly saying the quiet part loud about any deal with Labour.
I don't think it's easy, since:
1 - labour won't approve a referendum in the first years;
2 - there's more to the SNP than straight independence and I would think they would sell their support for a higher price;
I hope labour legends knock on every door in uxbridge and get him kicked out!
Please please please let him lose his seat. Portillo Moment x 1000.
They could appoint Boris as a Lord. (I don't know if this would actually work.)
You don't need to be an MP to be PM, but realistically speaking an MP in a safe seat would probably be asked to resign and the PM would stand in the by-election
Tories tried to get the civil service to do a costing of Labour's policies (presumably so they could wave it around) but they're having none of it.
Remember when people said the Tories couldn't possibly run a campaign as bad as May's in 2017? Shit hasn't even started yet.
Like, they've not even started yet and they're only second in fuck ups to the lib Dems, which is annoying because I'd much rather be yelling at them for doing stupid shit and being offensive
Speaking of, I'd missed that they tried to defend that tactical voting site in the Guardian
Funny coming from Javid who doesn't want to cost their own Brexit. Won't Labour come out and tell them eventually anyway or is it so the Tories can fudge their numbers to make it sound better.
Did you notice that in the Minister's response to Emily Thornberry he (accidentally?) referred to Roger Stone - whose trial we all know starts today.
Anybody stupid enough to make that comment isn't clever enough to realise how stupid it is.
Bridgen may apologise, but only if someone can manage to get him to memorise the words of an apology in the correct order.
Sweet jesus, tories giving the oppo material to run for days with. That bridgen interview is car crash material, the blocked costings make them look more incompetent and scared then usual, and bojo abandoning the extension vote will just play well for everyone else to stare how shit he is and they is more if a lying cunt then even the average politician. Not a bad thing at all, but the unguarded comments and infighting they are showing so far gives weight to this being a divided team at battle with each other and with everyone else, which isn't sustainable at all in such a pressurised, stressful campaign. The tories are going to crash hard if this is a preview of things to come.
Another telling thing is Corbyn being all over the place becoming viral with his speeches on a daily basis with barely any oppo and Johnson staying on no.10.
Another telling thing is Corbyn being all over the place becoming viral with his speeches on a daily basis with barely any oppo and Johnson staying on no.10.
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"BuT WhIcH OnE wIlL tHeY CaMpAiGn FoR?!"
It doesn't fucking matter.
True, but most of the failing by the general public to understand Labour's position on Brexit has been the result of an intentional campaign by the media to distort and obfuscate their position. Labour will only win at this game by continuing to improve their campaign tactics in the run-up to the election (which so far has been fantastic imo)
Eventually people will twig what "confirmatory vote" means. Probably not on my lifetime though.
plural of anecdote isn't data etc but been pleasantly surprised irl by how remain but corbyn-sceptic ppl i know have reacted negatively towards the lib dems moves so far
labour have done a very poor job buildings trust with remainers no-one can deny that, but ultimately the campaign will be weeks of corbyn calling for a second referendum on the news every single day while boris moans about how disgraceful it is that corbyn is calling for another referendum
the lib dem position where they simply lie that labour is a pro-leave party and lie that they can stop brexit through a referendum without making corbyn pm can't sustain that constant exposure
I think that's only convention though, I seem to remember reading there isn't any legal requirement for the PM to be an MP or Lord. We should probably get round to writing down our constitution one of these days.
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