British journalists have a bizarre response to the death of John Kay (former Sun journalist who died of old age)

Oct 26, 2017
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So like, I know these guys were friends/co-workers with the guy and it's sad when a co-worker or friend dies.

But

In 1977, Kay, who lacked confidence when going 'on the road' to interview people, claimed he suffered a nervous breakdown and locked himself in his hotel room shortly before the 1977 TUC Congress in Blackpool. Returning home after the conference, Kay said he felt unable to resign because it would harm his career, but knew he was not capable of functioning as Industrial Editor either – he claimed that he announced to his wife that he was going to kill himself. He drowned his wife, Harue, in the bath. He then claimed he unsuccessfully attempted to kill himself through methods including hanging, putting his head in a gas oven, jumping out of a window (only to have his fall broken by plastic dustbins), and finally driving his car head-on into a bridge.He was found by the police naked and covered in blood.

Defended at trial by John Mathew QC (paid for by The Sun newspaper) he pleaded guilty to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility; this was accepted by the court.After a spell of treatment at a psychiatric hospital in Friern Barnet he was taken back on by The Sun on condition that he be confined to the office.
Maybe at least mention how he grew as a person or something after he killed his wife? Or mention it at all?

The tweets kind of freak me out.
 

Justin Bailey

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Oct 28, 2017
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Successful old man that inspired others gets a pass on being a shithead when he dies. Not an uncommon story unfortunately.
 
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Oct 26, 2017
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Successful old man that inspired others gets a pass on being a shithead when he dies. Not an uncommon story unfortunately.
I feel like murdering your wife is a step beyond most of those stories though.

Like, I've seen this with regards to racists and sexual harassers but it's much stranger to see it with regards to a murderer.
 

Lork

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Oct 25, 2017
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Isn't The Sun owned by Rupert Murdoch? I don't know much of anything specific about it, but given that information I can't exactly say I'm surprised to learn that it employs the type of people who are completely fine with murder as long as it's done by "one of theirs".
 

Dyle

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't know why anyone would feel obliged to bring it up in a personal memory unless they were directly involved in it. Half of those people probably weren't even born when it happened.
 

Dongs Macabre

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Oct 26, 2017
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Wouldn't it be weirder to go "he was a right old chap and fine journalidoo i'll never forget the time he killed his wife"
 

Zyae

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Defended at trial by John Mathew QC (paid for by The Sun newspaper) he pleaded guilty to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility; this was accepted by the court.After a spell of treatment at a psychiatric hospital in Friern Barnet he was taken back on by The Sun on condition that he be confined to the office.

He served his time and was apparently rehabilitated, why should anyone feel the need to bring this up after he died?
 

CloudWolf

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Oct 26, 2017
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Oh my god, that third one.

"He is now with his lady."

Yes, the one he murdered. I'm sure she'll be real happy to see him in the afterlife.
 

Aegus

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Oct 29, 2017
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Oh my god, that third one.

"He is now with his lady."

Yes, the one he murdered. I'm sure she'll be real happy to see him in the afterlife.
Grim humour on my side, but imagine this scenario as the wife waiting for him to berate him for coming home completely drunk at 3am in the morning.

But the fact that he didn’t have any real consequences on his career kind of bugs me.
 

SABO.

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Grim humour on my side, but imagine this scenario as the wife waiting for him to berate him for coming home completely drunk at 3am in the morning.

But the fact that he didn’t have any real consequences on his career kind of bugs me.
The company that employed him paid for his defense too lol.

I'm guessing they didn't want his lawyers to turn around and point the finger at The Sun for having some part in his poor mental health
 

Dirtyshubb

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Oct 25, 2017
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I feel like murdering your wife is a step beyond most of those stories though.

Like, I've seen this with regards to racists and sexual harassers but it's much stranger to see it with regards to a murderer.
Polanski drugged and raped a child and gets awards and standing ovations from Hollywood elites.

His fans don't even deny he did it but instead make excuses like "he was in a bad place because his pregnant girlfriend was murdered" or "he has served his time now" even though he literally has been on the run for decades.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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A successful white man killed a Japanese woman, his wife, in England in 1977. He served some time in a psychiatric institution before returning to his job.

I feel like anyone referring to his rehabilitation should wonder if justice was actually served here.
 

Zampano

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Dec 3, 2017
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Awful all around but I admit to chuckling at some of the replies on Twitter. Fuck the Sun.
 

Timmm

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Oct 28, 2017
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Standard behaviour for the British media class.

The Sun is a special kind of cesspit even by their usual standards of the UK press too.
 

Jon Carter

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Oct 27, 2017
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Okay, hold up, why did he drown his wife? Was it something where they both wanted to die so he was to kill her first then himself or did he literally murder her? Because I can’t imagine being taken back by your old job after murdering your spouse.
 

MouldyK

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Nov 1, 2017
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Okay, hold up, why did he drown his wife? Was it something where they both wanted to die so he was to kill her first then himself or did he literally murder her? Because I can’t imagine being taken back by your old job after murdering your spouse.
Defended at trial by John Mathew QC (paid for by The Sun) he pleaded guilty to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility; this was accepted by the court.[SUP][1][/SUP][SUP][12][/SUP][SUP][13][/SUP] After a spell of treatment at a psychiatric hospital in Friern Barnet he was taken back on by The Sun on condition that he be confined to the office.[SUP][1][/SUP]

Yeah, it's a weird one.

Also, The Sun Article doesn't inform people that he killed his first wife...


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Here you go



 

nelsonroyale

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Oct 28, 2017
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It is very telling how little it is mentioned. Fuck the Sun. Also that is straight up murder whatever his deranged state. He got off because he was priviliged (white) bugger.

again, Fuck the Sun
 

Wolfman

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Oct 27, 2017
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I mean, if these people worked for The Sun, chances are they're pretty much absolute trash excuses for human beings, so it's hard to be surprised if they'd give a free pass to "one of their own" for being a murderer.
 

Croc Man

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Oct 27, 2017
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Surprised I've never heard of this story.
Regardless of what the suitable punishment is how do you go back into the same office after that?

Just imagine the first day back, the small talk etc. It's bad enough after being a drunken idiot at the Xmas party.
 
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"In 1977, Kay, who lacked confidence when going 'on the road' to interview people, claimed he suffered a nervous breakdown and locked himself in his hotel room shortly before the 1977 TUC Congress in Blackpool. Returning home after the conference, Kay said he felt unable to resign because it would harm his career, but knew he was not capable of functioning as Industrial Editor either – he claimed that he announced to his wife that he was going to kill himself. He drowned his wife, Harue, in the bath. He then claimed he unsuccessfully attempted to kill himself through methods including hanging, putting his head in a gas oven, jumping out of a window (only to have his fall broken by plastic dustbins), and finally driving his car head-on into a bridge.He was found by the police naked and covered in blood.

Defended at trial by John Mathew QC (paid for by The Sun newspaper) he pleaded guilty to manslaughter on the grounds of diminished responsibility; this was accepted by the court.After a spell of treatment at a psychiatric hospital in Friern Barnet he was taken back on by The Sun on condition that he be confined to the office. "
That's such a wild escalation in that paragraph.
As sometime journalist I can even sympathize with the first part, it can be a tough gig if you're not a naturally confident and social person. I can understand how that could make someone suicidal who really lives for that job but feels like he can't do it
But that sympathy goes out of the window when he kills another person

And the fact that she was a Japanese woman disowned by her family, with noone to advocate for her, probably made it conviniently easy to pretend nothing happened

It's always a tough question how far rehabilitation can go in the case of murder. But we're talking about The Sun, a paper that normally doesn't afford anybody that right, so the hypocrysy is real here