No, neoliberalism will only exacerbate the problems the world has. Socialism is the only path forward, to guide us from neoliberal capitalism to a communist utopia.
The common American understanding of the word "liberal" collapses liberalism (the economic school) with social progressivism (gay rights, diversity, etc), into a single word, "liberal".
This is where I'm at. Liberalism tries in vain, one incrementalist measure at a time, to resolve the inner contradictions of capitalism: capitalism against equality, capitalism against sustainability and the environment, capitalism against the humane, capitalism against labor with meaning...No. Liberalism believes in private property and therefore supports capitalism. Capitalism is unsustainable and killing the planet. Capitalism is unstable and falls into continual crises, which gives rise to fascism. Capitalism is inherently authoritarian and contradictory to democracy, revealing the extent to which liberalism is ineffective at protecting its own values.
Capitalism will one day collapse, and there are only two options that come after it - socialism or barbarism.
The common American understanding of the word "liberal" collapses liberalism (the economic school) with social progressivism (gay rights, diversity, etc), into a single word, "liberal".
They "are/aren't" the same depending on who you talk to and in what context.
I like Olly's explanation of the word:
I know I'm getting real wary of certain factions of liberalism/progressivism. Some people are getting so mentally overwhelmed by climate change or inequality that they're turning to a motley of radical ideologies or solutions. There's different groups and different ideologies, but many of them have the same reflexively unthinking or anti-intellectual stance as groups I fear on the right.
The way I see it, the end of capitalism is approaching sooner than many are prepared for, and what makes me existentially uncomfortable is the growing chance that it will be an involuntary hard crash, rather than the product of us coming to our senses en masse and swerving before we take our civilizations over the cliff.Capitalism is like an insidious virus that the Earth tries to shed itself of through climate change. As long as capitalism is the driving force of our world we will perpetually be in danger.
The drive for infinite growth overcomes the societal cost of business due to environmental degradation. Liberalism can patch that over but it can't solve the underlying drive towards destruction.
threadwhining, are we now? Need your diapers changed or something?Wants to hear the other sides outside of liberalism, asks for it on a liberal website.
We already produce more than enough food to feed everyone on earth, so I think we already know the answer to that question.Eventually we will be at a point where technology is able to feed every human. Renewable energy generating renewable food sources.
Now the question is: Who owns the factory? One super rich person who then uses that to hold power on everyone else? Or does EVERYONE own the factory?
I mean there have been numerous mentions of socialism....soWants to hear the other sides outside of liberalism, asks for it on a liberal website.
Genuinely can't tell if this is a troll post or not.No, neoliberalism will only exacerbate the problems the world has. Socialism is the only path forward, to guide us from neoliberal capitalism to a communist utopia.
Genuinely can't tell if this is a troll post or not.
No one actually believes this right?
Genuinely can't tell if this is a troll post or not.
No one actually believes this right?
Genuinely can't tell if this is a troll post or not.
No one actually believes this right?
The biggest worry I have on this front is how will progressivism survive the havoc this world will experience as a result of climate change. What will western nations do when the rest of the world needs someplace to go...
It won't be a utopia, but I agree with that post. Capitalism is killing usGenuinely can't tell if this is a troll post or not.
No one actually believes this right?
What does forward mean?I should probably state that I started out more as an anti-George W Bush than pro-liberal or Democrat during 2004 elections. The idealogy I for the first time identified was...Ron Paul libertarian in 2008. But that only lasted a few months, until i researched Barack Obama's platform and got fully on board. Ever since then I identified as a strongly liberal, progressive democrat on pretty much every issue.
I do however try to see things outside the "bubble" so to speak constantly. To make sure we're not drinking the same kool aid as say, Republicans who are now basically part of a full bore cult. Meaning, I try to critique American liberalism, but I do not see much to critique outside of vague monetary philosophies. The ideals, of having equal rights for all, strong central government taking care of poor, taxing the rich, etc. all seem morally right and the true path forward for humanity. I can't say the same of conservativism, which is just mean-spiritedness and economically disastrous (trickle down garbage). What are some of the real critiques of liberal thought and ideals?
A critique that doesn't get surfaced here enough is that market pricing is a signal of preferences. Absent externalities, giving people what they want is often a good thing. And competitive markets move towards giving consumers what they want.
In other words, capitalism has its merits.
And socialism wouldn't? I'm for socialism but this thing where you compare the flawed version of capitalism that we know with your idealized vision of socialism is a fantasy.
And socialism wouldn't? I'm for socialism but this thing where you compare the flawed version of capitalism that we know with your idealized vision of socialism is a fantasy.
Some people to the Left obviously not everyone but work with me here would recommend New Keynesian economics as an example of a more ideal capitalistic system - linking Wikipedia because I'm both lazy and because it's a convenient summary of the subject and approach.
A critique that doesn't get surfaced here enough is that market pricing is a signal of preferences. Absent externalities, giving people what they want is often a good thing. And competitive markets move towards giving consumers what they want.
In other words, capitalism has its merits.
Humans are inherently selfish, and (at least, under my personal feelings, you're the professional here, not me!) feel that most people feel most comfortable owning their own things.Good discussion. My background is psychology. Would people still be paid under a true socialist experiment? If not how do you motivate people. How would copyright law and profit operate under this paradigm? I believe humans do operate on a very selfish level, like Ayn Rand espouses to us and that capitalism, i.e profit, works best to motivate individuals.
I still can't believe people argue for socialism in 2019. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding. What exactly is socialism to people in here?
It's odd. They talk about how Capitalism is broken and only hurts the world because of bad actors and how the system incentivizes bad behavior. I don't think any of that is a symptom of capitalism rather than human nature. For any system to truly "work" for everyone, requires its participants to be benign and virtuous. The same applies to any socialist system. The potential for corruption and abuse in a socialist system is just as strong if not stronger than a capitalist one. The only examples we have of attempts at socialist regimes are horribly oppressive disasters.