Bungie Developer Insights: Darker Narrative
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The fact that they killed the only character I really liked in Destiny really doesn't motivate me to play this.
I am sorry to see Cayde die, especially since pretty much all the characters they created after Taken King have been non-stop irritating. I'm worried that there will be nobody left to fill the void left in Cayde's absence.
I am very happy to see them cite Westerns and Samurai movies as their inspiration for this expansion though. I'm looking forward to see how those tropes get twisted to fit the Destiny universe.
I am very happy to see them cite Westerns and Samurai movies as their inspiration for this expansion though. I'm looking forward to see how those tropes get twisted to fit the Destiny universe.
I'm so glad they took this new direction in narrative. The "every line must be a gag" approach of the vanilla game was seriously rubbish. Almost as crap as Borderlands.
"Rawr, I'm a big scary monster!"
Edit: Also, I really do think he's dead for good.
"Rawr, I'm a big scary monster!"
Edit: Also, I really do think he's dead for good.
I'm STILL pissed they killed off such a big character in the fucking trailer. What an absolutely stupid decision. Should've been a surprise during the actual expansion.
When the first few teaser trailers were Cadye joking and mumbling his way through I knew straight away there was something up with the direction of the game. Sucks that it's taken them almost a year to sort things.
This narrative stuff is an obvious response to the backlash to their god awful writing, but part of me doubts they'll get it right.
For one, your guardian is still going to be a mute idiot who mimes their way through conversation while the super douchebag ghost does all the talking.
For one, your guardian is still going to be a mute idiot who mimes their way through conversation while the super douchebag ghost does all the talking.
He'a an Exo; a being that came into life with the help of science (space magic). I'm sure there are a lot of written lore already that will support his resurrection.
Exactly, specially when we ressurrect the guy on the campaing, sounds like a poor marketing choice to grab attention of the audience.
This always comes up, but I seriously doubt that having Nathan Fillion come in to do voicework is really all that expensive. I love the guy but he's a B or C-list TV actor who probably doesn't charge that much for a couple afternoons in a recording booth. For some reason even generally reasonable journalists and industry observers tend to act like he must be getting some kind of Robert Downey Jr. payday when that is probably not the case at all.
Is Fillion more expensive than a no-name voice actor? Probably, but I suspect his paycheck probably represents less than 1% of this game's budget. Killing off his character probably has very little to do with saving money.
No. It's probably a reactionary move due to complaints over the tone of the base game and a good way to create instant interest by summarily executing one of the one few Destiny characters most people actually give two shits about. Also he's totally coming back to life. Cayde-7 bout to pop up pretty soon.
So is Bungie evolving like a human being?
Halo phase: 6-8 year old kid, ALIENS BLOW SHIT UP SPACESHIPS LETS GOOOOOO
Destiny 1 phase: 10 year old, "everything is spooky! WHAT A TWIST! check out my dank memes" phase
Destiny 2: 12-15 year old rebel against everyone, "i know everything i don't need to listen to anyone"
Destiny 2 year 2: 16 year old, just-exposed-to-Nietzsche nihilism phase. "Everything sucks, everyone dies, nothing matters"
Halo phase: 6-8 year old kid, ALIENS BLOW SHIT UP SPACESHIPS LETS GOOOOOO
Destiny 1 phase: 10 year old, "everything is spooky! WHAT A TWIST! check out my dank memes" phase
Destiny 2: 12-15 year old rebel against everyone, "i know everything i don't need to listen to anyone"
Destiny 2 year 2: 16 year old, just-exposed-to-Nietzsche nihilism phase. "Everything sucks, everyone dies, nothing matters"
They'll just bring a slightly weirder version with Cayde-7. Wasn't it categorized as a rumor in Destiny's 1 grimore that the number meant the number of previous "lifes" that Exo had? So Exos have another weay to being brought (mostly) back without a ghost. Is my memory making up things?
Talk to me when Zavala or Lord Shaxx dies. Then we can discuss avenging cool characters.
This is always something I've thought about as well. Is Fillion really that expensive these days? They have Lance Reddick voicing Zavala and I'd imagine he's at least a little more costly. The guy has actually been in movies in recent years.
This is always something I've thought about as well. Is Fillion really that expensive these days? They have Lance Reddick voicing Zavala and I'd imagine he's at least a little more costly. The guy has actually been in movies in recent years.
I don't really believe so. He was the only character that people really liked so it makes no sense to kill him permanently. His death inspires revenge which will probably lead him to be resurrected in some form. He already died once, in human form. Transfering his mind to a new Exo body doesn't seem like a big deal. There will probably be a quest where you take his "memory core" to a Bray facility and bring him back.
My opinion is that the current state of Bungie isn't capable of getting worthwhile videogame writing into a product. They're making some seemingly candid statements about the current direction, but they're fighting against having, frankly, prevaricated to give a similar impression of self-awareness so many times previously to promote this series. I can't take any of this at face value. I've been burned several times over. I wish them the best, but I'm left with an almost hostile attitude toward their work until they prove otherwise.
I'd love for Cayde's death to be emblematic of how seriously they're taking this shift for the sake of storytelling, but I just can't believe them.
I'd love for Cayde's death to be emblematic of how seriously they're taking this shift for the sake of storytelling, but I just can't believe them.
Nah,
The numbers represent the number of reboots.
His ghost is dead, and was shot in the head. He is dead for good unless they pull Backup minds Shanenigans somewhere by making us visit the Deep Stone Crypt.
He's dead for good. Dunno why so many people are determined to think he isn't.
Yeah pretty much. Virtually all the changes they are making in Forsaken are sounding great (even though some of them were present in the first game and shouldn't have been removed in the first place) Can't wait.
To all the spoiler-whinners
Please, Cayde's death happens in the first mission. We all know attention-seeking streamer douchebags will have it up all over youtube as a thumbnail within an hour of release.
Remember GOW just two months ago?
This way at least, Bungle can get ahead of it and rinse it for marketing and hype
Please, Cayde's death happens in the first mission. We all know attention-seeking streamer douchebags will have it up all over youtube as a thumbnail within an hour of release.
Remember GOW just two months ago?
This way at least, Bungle can get ahead of it and rinse it for marketing and hype
Cayde was the ONLY memorable character in all of Destiny. Not saying he's great or horrible or anything... speaks more to the rest of the cast.
When they didn't embrace the complex lore they had going through The Book of Sorrow, sword logic, et al. I was out. The path was clear but they choose to hug the centre and dilute the essence of what made me really engage with Destiny.
true but for me he's a better character and more memorable than Cayde.
I also have zero expectations for the story.
This series has had so many problems from the beginning that I don't have any faith that that particular aspect will change.
The new gameplay content will probably be cool but as for the story, after seeing the original game + Destiny 2, I'm going to go with a hard no on the story being interesting at all.
Yup and he has some pretty good lines!
Though, in the end characters aren't really Destiny's strong suit.
Tangled Shore GI video is up as well: https://www.gameinformer.com/exclusive-video/2018/07/09/exploring-destiny-2-forsakens-tangled-shore
Some good footage of new Solar Hunter super and Warlock Arc super
Some good footage of new Solar Hunter super and Warlock Arc super