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Bungie splits with Activision; retains ownership of Destiny IP
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Didn't they recently get a 100 mil investment from NetEase?
Or was that for non Destiny stuff.
I wonder if this means something different will happen for a potentially Destiny 3 or if they'll work on a new IP. I personally wasn't too hot on Destiny so I'm crossing my fingers for a new IP, perhaps an online multiplayer FPS like Halo or CoD or even in a completely different genre
Destiny 3 is 100% happening. Their blog shows their commitment to the franchise but a new IP might also be happening alongside it.
Ahh...well I guess I'll keep my eyes open to whatever else they have in store, most likely after Destiny 3 comes out
to consumers yeah. I've spoken to people working at Activision and Beenox and they said two things that made me think otherwise: Bobby Kotick comes around on visit and is a friendly person and Actvision as a whole is very collaborative as we've seen with the non-Bungie-led DLCs to Destiny 2.
My take on these things is that, I know what it's like to have a very "suit" CEO of a company come on visit down in the dirt with the grunts. I interned at an IT firm last year and witnessed the firing of one of the HR managers due to untold reasons (but probably underperformance). As friendly as that CEO was, he was also hard-boiled business-oriented and did the whole business-smile thing which doesn't fool me. That does affect your mentality working in such a place and I have no doubt Activision leaders communicating frequently with Bungie's leads had an impact on their mentality. That said, Activision was also supportive and offered collaboration with their subsidiaries to get the planned content out on time, which of course impacted the quality of Destiny 2's DLCs. Heck, just Forsaken which I've been playing has a distinctly different vibe to it than Destiny ever had I think, just ever so slightly.
It's been both beneficial and detrimental to work with Activision. I think their profit-oriented deals hurt their product, particularly the agreement to annualize releases of fully priced products instead of just "Destiny". My biggest hope for Destiny 3 is actually that Bungie can make a Destiny 1 & 2 remix which is one game with all of the campaign, strikes, raids and PvP maps from Destiny 1 and 2 and then is prepared for further content additions, making it a truly expansive game-world that feels self-contained and not something which constantly divides its player base into classes of upper and lower class (like in england!); people who want to pay 40-60 dollars every year to keep playing Destiny vs people who end up just buying the game and drop out as they realize how insanely expensive it is to play.
My guess would be that some level of work has already been going on for the next IP - just like how they were doing D1 work during the ODST timeframe.
What the fuck is this thread. Are some of you even old enough to remember these game launches? Halo 2 was the biggest entertainment launch of its time and was used as a vehicle for Xbox Live and set precedent for how online gaming would become the focus of the 360. In no way would Halo 2 have ever been cancelled, the entire Xbox ecosystem depended on it. I would love to hear of "other big games that have been cancelled" that are even remotely similar to the scale and importance of Halo 2.
100m was for mobile gaming iirc , destiny 3 is going to cost much more than 100m
Trust was earned. And then demolished repeatedly with D2. But yeah, they get no more benefit of the doubt from me.
I disagree with a lot of the comments here about destiny 3 being a sure thing, at least in the short term. I bet the work that they've been doing on a destiny 3 for Activision gets rolled into destiny 2. I think destiny becoming a platform is much more a reality now that Activision isn't there to mandate new sequels.
Nothing, it'll stay up and continue as normal. It might come to other stores maybe, but Activision are probably still heavily invested in D2, so I wouldn't get my hopes too high.
that's the money they saved from not paying for 2 more years of thisActivision rn
Bungie wants to work on their own IP's. It's why they don't want to be bought out again.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's even more exclusives now given that they have to fund everything themselves.
That is still not their IP though. They want full creative control with no guidelines. They can only get that by self publishing their own franchises.
The game they're working on now is the big follow-up to the post-credits tease in Destiny 2, which I believe was meant to be the physical manifestation of the Darkness. I honestly do not think that's going to be rolled into Destiny 2.
I mentioned this in another thread but I'm going to make a prediction that might sound like a big undertaking but I truly believe that Bungie is thinking something along these lines.
I think Bungie knows that a separate sequel ended up being a mistake but at this point, it might be too convoluted to simply use Destiny 2 as a base going forward, especially as we are at the end of the console generation.
Because of that, I believe Bungie is working on "Destiny 3" to release in fall 2020 alongside the next generation of consoles. It will be marketed as the ultimate and final "version" of Destiny -- it will not only include a new campaign that acts as the "epic conclusion" to the fight against the Darkness but it will include the majority of areas and content from Destiny 1 and 2. In other words, this will be the game that many players thought we would be getting with the original Destiny --- an always changing universe that new planets are added to over the years. I can even see this PS5/Scarlet game simply being called "Destiny."
Perhaps unlikely, but I think something like that is what Bungie wants to do.
They should have let Activision keep Destiny to fund something new. Though I doubt Activision would have been interested :P.
Yes, I doubt Activision is kicking themselves over how this played out.
I mean Bungie didn't even care that the D1 characters look like absolute shit when carried over to Destiny 2, so the disappointment started almost immediately.
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Hair is clipping into the face and its the same pathetic character creator as Destiny 1.
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Ah good, can't be dealing with yet another launcher on my pc 😂
I get the feeling that bungie are gonna need investment and outside studio support for d3.. Which will probably mean a publisher.
I could be wrong. We will see
I could be wrong. We will see
The real questions are: will Titans finally get less bulky shoulder pauldrons? Will Hunter cloaks return to their former glory?
Bungie.
As mentioned in the blog post in the OP, Bungie is going to self-publish.
(A mod should probably add that to the OP at this point. Haha.)
these posts suggest they were doing anything but making money.
the issue is that they wanted to make even MORE money; not that they weren't making enough.
I guess after the og tower fell everyone let themselves go a little bit.I mean Bungie didn't even care that the D1 characters look like absolute shit when carried over to Destiny 2, so the disappointment started almost immediately.
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Hair is clipping into the face and its the same pathetic character creator as Destiny 1.
Has their been an official press statement yet from Bungie?
They want to work on Destiny.
There is an official blog post from Bungie.
The link is in the OP.
My head hurts.
Right now the most popular game in the world, Fortnite, is a self-published client that is free to download a la carte, supports crossplay parallel PvE and PvP modes, is rapidly iterated through a regular update schedule, and is supported through a mix between seasonal content passes (that promote regular engagement) and cosmetic purchases.
If you want to know what Bungie is thinking for the future of Destiny, IMO that's it.
Destiny's peers, like Warframe, already embrace a similar model, and build onto a base game with regular updates when they are ready (instead of annual releases bound to retail, with all of the baggage that kind of release entails). I don't know how far along D3 is, but I imagine this move telegraphs that D3 will be a Destiny client, and all future content will be a part of it.
If you want to know what Bungie is thinking for the future of Destiny, IMO that's it.
Destiny's peers, like Warframe, already embrace a similar model, and build onto a base game with regular updates when they are ready (instead of annual releases bound to retail, with all of the baggage that kind of release entails). I don't know how far along D3 is, but I imagine this move telegraphs that D3 will be a Destiny client, and all future content will be a part of it.
you have to spend money to make money, and the combination of not making enough, not spending on what's in the pipeline, and opportunity costs of having 2 of their studios work on something else means Activision could stand to gain more.
Yeah the fact that so many people itt think it's possible and benificial for their games is suprising. This has to impact their plans for Destiny 3.
Have we even seen a single traditional $60 AAA title self published by a studio this generation? Because I don't think we have.
I'm not quite sure why so many believe that Activision was behind the microtransaction stuff in Destiny. It's a proven monetization model and it's really not hard to see why Bungie would want it.
What I don't believe they wanted is the yearly release schedule with planned sequels. I'm seriously hoping that Destiny 3 serves as a new foundation for an evolving game. Paid expansions are fine, but the game would really benefit from just picking a base and building on it instead of resetting every few years.
League of Legends, Fortnite, and PUBG (three of the most successful and regularly streamed games of the generation) are all self-published. Warframe is not nearly as popular/successful, but is one of Destiny's peers and also self-publishes.
Bungie - We want to self-publish our future games.
Random dude with a Juventus logo on the internet who has no insight in Bungie's funds - Yeah they are lying because they have not enough money.
Who am I going to believe?
They've already filed licensing for the their new IP, Matter.