Bungie updates Destiny 2's microtransaction system, adds Prismatic Matrixes (package gachas)

CrusoeCMYK

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The Destiny community on GAF/ERA has become so insular that anything but unrelenting praise is met with ire. The common defense being quickly to point out hours of play or assumption about one's lack of play has become a pathetic tradition. I've already submitted to the fact that Destiny is (and has been) a monetized platform. It's commendable that they are looking into ways to make their systems less egregious but I wouldn't nor would I expect celebration for it.
 

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The Destiny community on GAF/ERA has become so insular that anything but unrelenting praise is met with ire. The common defense being quickly to point out hours of play or assumption about one's lack of play has become a pathetic tradition. I've already submitted to the fact that Destiny (and has been) a monetized platform. It's commendable that they are looking into ways to make their systems less egregious but I wouldn't nor would I expect celebration for it.
Umm not true and if you feel it is than its likely just the equal response to unrelenting negativity and shit posting drive bys

There is level headed discussion to be had about games that went the wrong direction
 

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Yeah I’m confused. I can’t tell if this is good or bad.
It's good, because (correct me if I'm wrong) it applies to gachas earned through normal gameplay.
So if you earn 10 gachas through gameplay (possible if you grind a LOT), it gives you the same results that buying 10 gachas would give.

There are only positives here, really.
 

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Yeah I’m confused. I can’t tell if this is good or bad.
Good

But if you already hated how it was implemented in the first place then no level of iteration is gonna look like anything but lipstick on a pig

They have the lootbox setup that they have increasingly been deconstructing since the backplash hit a fever pitch
 

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The Destiny community on GAF/ERA has become so insular that anything but unrelenting praise is met with ire. The common defense being quickly to point out hours of play or assumption about one's lack of play has become a pathetic tradition. I've already submitted to the fact that Destiny is (and has been) a monetized platform. It's commendable that they are looking into ways to make their systems less egregious but I wouldn't nor would I expect celebration for it.
You're a liar or don't pay may attention to this site. There are plenty of threads and talk about Destiny 2 being dead on top of the straight up trolling anytime they announce a change or new content.
 

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BULLSHIT

This is assumptious as fuck.

Firstly the base game of Destiny is always solid. The gameplay is top notch shooter that's butter smooth and the mechanics are rock solid. The game in it's current state has way more content that D1 had at this point in it's life. You have in the base game

3 Classes with 3 sub classes to unlock and level
25 Story missions
6 Strikes
Seasonal events and weekly events In PVP with unique loot
52 Exotic items to grind for
Public events
Lost sectors hidden around the world like mini dungeons
Patrol quests

Then with DLC 1 they added

8 Story missions
2 Strikes
17 Exotic items
1 Patrol zone (granted it's small but it's public event is entirely unqiue)

On top of that the second DLC is adding a wealth of content alongside all the patches the game has had and is getting.

https://www.bungie.net/en/Explore/Detail/News/46567

Just blatantly saying "they are more worried about the game mtx than the additional promised content" is nonsense. You have no idea that's true and no reason to believe it and what does it even mean when alongside the May 8th patch which introduces the matrix alongside a wealth of gameplay changes and an overhaul to nearly every exotic they are bringing out the 2nd DLC which looks to be substantial




This hasn't been true since D1
Then why are they backporting existing assets from D1? (EDZ, exotics etc)
 
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BULLSHIT

This is assumptious as fuck.

Firstly the base game of Destiny is always solid. The gameplay is top notch shooter that's butter smooth and the mechanics are rock solid. The game in it's current state has way more content that D1 had at this point in it's life. You have in the base game

3 Classes with 3 sub classes to unlock and level
25 Story missions
6 Strikes
Seasonal events and weekly events In PVP with unique loot
52 Exotic items to grind for
Public events
Lost sectors hidden around the world like mini dungeons
Patrol quests

Then with DLC 1 they added

8 Story missions
2 Strikes
17 Exotic items
1 Patrol zone (granted it's small but it's public event is entirely unqiue)

On top of that the second DLC is adding a wealth of content alongside all the patches the game has had and is getting.

https://www.bungie.net/en/Explore/Detail/News/46567

Just blatantly saying "they are more worried about the game mtx than the additional promised content" is nonsense. You have no idea that's true and no reason to believe it and what does it even mean when alongside the May 8th patch which introduces the matrix alongside a wealth of gameplay changes and an overhaul to nearly every exotic they are bringing out the 2nd DLC which looks to be substantial




This hasn't been true since D1
Bullshit? Dont be absurd. The story missions are the same thing just rearranged differently for the most part. Not to mention that the the two strikes you mention are literally two story missions....
 

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You're a liar or don't pay may attention to this site. There are plenty of threads and talk about Destiny 2 being dead on top of the straight up trolling anytime they announce a change or new content.
You can screw off with that label. Either disagree with my sentiment or destroy my argument with evidence. I'm not pretending there isn't negativity surrounding Destiny as a whole, but a discussion can't be had by being equally obnoxious.
 

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The Destiny community on GAF/ERA has become so insular that anything but unrelenting praise is met with ire. The common defense being quickly to point out hours of play or assumption about one's lack of play has become a pathetic tradition. I've already submitted to the fact that Destiny is (and has been) a monetized platform. It's commendable that they are looking into ways to make their systems less egregious but I wouldn't nor would I expect celebration for it.
Feel free to read my post history regarding Destiny 2. Up until the announcement of Warmind, I've had a very morbid outlook towards the game.
 

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Bullshit? Dont be absurd. The story missions are the same thing just rearranged differently for the most part. Not to mention that the the two strikes you mention are literally two story missions....
The content in and of itself in't really on the spectrum of the core complaints of the game or even this topic for that matter
 

WipedOut

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Can't we all just get along brothers.. I for one am looking forward to the positive changes being made and look forward to the warmind expansion. Destiny's future is looking bright!
 

CrusoeCMYK

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Feel free to read my post history regarding Destiny 2. Up until the announcement of Warmind, I've had a very morbid outlook towards the game.
I've also held both positive and negative views both here and on GAF. I just don't feel the need to tout my play history or hours of commitment as if it's a prerequisite for discussion.
 
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The content in and of itself in't really on the spectrum of the core complaints of the game or even this topic for that matter
Would you like to make any supporting statements to this? Not having much meaningful end game content is not a complaint? Rearranging Everest or even having Everest before fixing other things isn't an issue?
 

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Can't we all just get along brothers.. I for one am looking forward to the positive changes being made and look forward to the warmind expansion. Destiny's future is looking bright!
Yeah, while I think the prismatic matrixes suck, I'll be glad to dive back in come Monday, play the DLC, and see what the recent updates did to the core loop.
 

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Then why are they backporting existing assets from D1? (EDZ, exotics etc)
EDZ was never in D1. Is it content that might have been planned for D1? Sure but to act like it's content people have played is disingenuous.

Exotics are basically loot and they brought forward some that never got properly utlized (Hard light) with different characteristics but the majoirty of exotics are new.

You seem content on proving that D2 ported D1 content but the only content in D2 that came from D1 was some weapons. Weapons which had to all have changes made to accomodate the new engine and weapons that fill up the trash gear llike whites/greens and blues.


Bullshit? Dont be absurd. The story missions are the same thing just rearranged differently for the most part. Not to mention that the the two strikes you mention are literally two story missions....
This is the way destiny works. Content isn't a source of contention. Some of the world spaces fit different roles and some are entirely locked to instances etc.

You saying "they are more worried about the game mtx than the additional promised content" is bullshit. You have nothing to support the claim. The patch introudicng the matrix has a host of addition stuff, major being a sweeping overhaul of exotics that gives them new abilities and buffs. Alongside the patch is DLC2 with a public event that dwarfs Court of Oryx from Taken King and all the typical smaller DLC additions. We already know the fall DLC is going to include a huge new game mode never seen before alongside whatever large taken king style game changes that has and we have already had, Masterworks/ Go Faster update and plenty of QoL changes up to this point. Infact if anything eververse and MTX has only seen minor changes but changes that are worthwhile none the less.


Would you like to make any supporting statements to this? Not having much meaningful end game content is not a complaint? Rearranging Everest or even having Everest before fixing other things isn't an issue?

The D2 endgame (as of may 8th)

1 Raid
2 Raid Lairs
1 Wave Based survival event
Iron Banner
Trails of the Nine
Faction Rally
Nightfall Rewards
Clan Season completions
380 Power/Light grind
Exotic catalysts
PvP Season ranking

If you compare that to the house of wolves endgame which was

2 Raids
Prison of Elder
Iron Banner
Trails of Osiris
 
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DrROBschiz

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Would you like to make any supporting statements to this? Not having much meaningful end game content is not a complaint? Rearranging Everest or even having Everest before fixing other things isn't an issue?
People were happy with the amount of content in Vanilla Destiny and players are accustomed to running that content over and over with groups

The issues starting cropping up as soon as we finished it all and found that the live team had their priorities in the wrong places

My point being is that people were not complaining about how good the strikes were or how many their were they were complaining that there was no reason to continue engaging in D2's activities if the only thing to chase was getting more Bright Engrams

They didn't iterate the gameplay loops in the proper direction and getting on topic... some people blame the focus on creating Eververse content.

Thats what I am getting at. So for those who want to be brought up to speed on where we are now, what Prismatic Matrix is, and where Destiny is going maybe that would be more beneficial to ask about?
 

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The Destiny community on GAF/ERA has become so insular that anything but unrelenting praise is met with ire. The common defense being quickly to point out hours of play or assumption about one's lack of play has become a pathetic tradition. I've already submitted to the fact that Destiny is (and has been) a monetized platform. It's commendable that they are looking into ways to make their systems less egregious but I wouldn't nor would I expect celebration for it.
There is a very vocal minority within the community that makes it impossible for me to be a part of it like I used to.

They will defend it no matter what.
 
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EDZ was never in D1. Is it content that might have been planned for D1? Sure but to act like it's content people have played is disingenuous.

Exotics are basically loot and they brought forward some that never got properly utlized (Hard light) with different characteristics but the majoirty of exotics are new.

You seem content on proving that D2 ported D1 content but the only content in D2 that came from D1 was some weapons. Weapons which had to all have changes made to accomodate the new engine and weapons that fill up the trash gear llike whites/greens and blues.




This is the way destiny works. Content isn't a source of contention. Some of the world spaces fit different roles and some are entirely locked to instances etc.

You saying "they are more worried about the game mtx than the additional promised content" is bullshit. You have nothing to support the claim. The patch introudicng the matrix has a host of addition stuff, major being a sweeping overhaul of exotics that gives them new abilities and buffs. Alongside the patch is DLC2 with a public event that dwarfs Court of Oryx from Taken King and all the typical smaller DLC additions. We already know the fall DLC is going to include a huge new game mode never seen before alongside whatever large taken king style game changes that has and we have already had, Masterworks/ Go Faster update and plenty of QoL changes up to this point. Infact if anything eververse and MTX has only seen minor changes but changes that are worthwhile none the less.
It is not bullshit, it's a game that you pay for as well as the expansions. Look at the last expansion a huge amount of items were only available through Everest? Did you forget that? Also saying 'thats how Destiny works' is the most pathelic excuse there is. You have at this point have given in to their methods and don't expect anything more, which is a damn shame.
 
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People were happy with the amount of content in Vanilla Destiny and players are accustomed to running that content over and over with groups

The issues starting cropping up as soon as we finished it all and found that the live team had their priorities in the wrong places

My point being is that people were not complaining about how good the strikes were or how many their were they were complaining that there was no reason to continue engaging in D2's activities if the only thing to chase was getting more Bright Engrams

They didn't iterate the gameplay loops in the proper direction and getting on topic... some people blame the focus on creating Eververse content.

Thats what I am getting at. So for those who want to be brought up to speed on where we are now, what Prismatic Matrix is, and where Destiny is going maybe that would be more beneficial to ask about?
I agree I don't have a problem rerunning strikes etc if there is something to chase. I understand that part but when they neutered everything and gave away everything in the first go it dried up quickly. Making the lack of content a larger glaring issue, seeing that there was no real reason to move away from destiny 1. It's all a cash grab to reset the clock and apparently resell the same stuff back with minimal effort.
 

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It is not bullshit, it's a game that you pay for as well as the expansions. Look at the last expansion a huge amount of items were only available through Everest? Did you forget that? Also saying 'thats how Destiny works' is the most pathelic excuse there is. You have at this point have given in to their methods and don't expect anything more, which is a damn shame.
He kind of isn't engaging the issues of the past so much as list warring about where we are heading now

You guys are kind of arguing in different time frames.

The game has shifted quite a bit from the Dawning where the worst of what you descibe occured

But yes. Eververse does and will continue to exist. Its influence has been greatly reduced, for now, but I understand being wary of yet another step to keep eververse alive while trying to appease players
 

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Bullshit? Dont be absurd. The story missions are the same thing just rearranged differently for the most part. Not to mention that the the two strikes you mention are literally two story missions....
His argument is a losing one for even comparing year 1 of Destiny 1 to year 2 of Destiny 2. Show of hands of people who expected to return to year 1 of Destiny content-wise but with all the fun nerfed out of it and almost all player choices completely removed?
 

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It's pretty crazy that we have come to a point where developers make announcement about new systems on how to make consumers pay, basically business models, instead of new additions which add to actual gameplay.

It's really become gambling because there's so much focus on how to extract money from players instead of giving them contents unlocked through gameplay.
 

DrROBschiz

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It's pretty crazy that we have come to a point where developers make announcement about new systems on how to make consumers pay, basically business models, instead of new additions which add to actual gameplay.

It's really become gambling because there's so much focus on how to extract money from players instead of giving them contents unlocked through gameplay.
Technically the update that goes over this new addition to Eververse came in tandem with gameplay updates

Just for clarity
 

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I've also held both positive and negative views both here and on GAF. I just don't feel the need to tout my play history or hours of commitment as if it's a prerequisite for discussion.
In a way, it is a prerequisite. Having a deep, nuanced, understanding of the game's systems and mechanics typically comes with extensive experience and play time. Someone who hasn't played the game in months or at all, has questionable validity, honestly.

Most people ITT just like to dogpile Destiny 2 because it's an easy target. I'll be blunt, most of you really don't know what you're talking about. It's no secret that Bungie has fucked up tremendously with this game. But it has improved, albeit, slowly. They're finally listening and implementing much needed changes across the board. They still have a long way to go and a lot more to do in order to fully regain my confidence and trust.
 

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Then why are they backporting existing assets from D1? (EDZ, exotics etc)
The EDZ isn't D1 content though.. it may have existed in some form in development, but the same thing can be said about levels in about every video game ever, heck they built one of Halo 3's levels in Halo 2's engine first. It's standard game dev.
 

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The EDZ isn't D1 content though.. it may have existed in some form in development, but the same thing can be said about levels in about every video game ever, heck they built one of Halo 3's levels in Halo 2's engine first. It's standard game dev.
Looking at what has been said etc regarding the development of destiny we saw what was destiny 1 chopped up and then repurposed to meet the content stipulations of their contract with Activision. Dark below and house of wolves were separated from the base game and made into expansions to meet the contract. The Dreadnaught was originally in the base game, story/engine woes lead to it becoming The Taken King (sans Exo Rasputin) the EDZ and the "pyramid ships" were 2013 concept art - now part of Destiny 2, expect to see a repurposed Old Chicago soon.

It's as if the existing assets were prioritised due to how bad it is working with the engine and then rehashed into the existing game.
Only Staten and the NDA'd to hell Bungie staff know what truly happened. I could go on ad nauseum.
 

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Looking at what has been said etc regarding the development of destiny we saw what was destiny 1 chopped up and then repurposed to meet the content stipulations of their contract with Activision. Dark below and house of wolves were separated from the base game and made into expansions to meet the contract. The Dreadnaught was originally in the base game, story/engine woes lead to it becoming The Taken King (sans Exo Rasputin) the EDZ and the "pyramid ships" were 2013 concept art - now part of Destiny 2, expect to see a repurposed Old Chicago soon.

It's as if the existing assets were prioritised due to how bad it is working with the engine and then rehashed into the existing game.
I know for a fact that Destiny 1's DLC was not "sliced off content". Eris Morn herself did not even exist as even a concept until after Destiny 1's launch. You are remembering Dark Below had like, 2 real missions, right? That's because it really was developed between launch and when it came out a couple of months later, and why that raid was so short.

House of Wolves is the same way, it was not held back from Destiny 1 base. Destiny 1's base content, thin as it was, because because Destiny 1's development really was coming in that hot. It's almost like people want the truth to be less negative than it actually was, but D1's launch content was what they had done at the time.

Your post is misreading of an out of date contract, not knowing what concept art during game development is for (it's not for features planned to ship in that specific game, it's for visualizing potential concepts), and the Dreadnaught was not in the base game. And before you paste that image of that small area of the Dreadnaught at me, Bungie has always made geometry first and figures out where it "goes" and populates it with encounters later. For literally every game they've ever made, so don't misconstrue an encounter space that originally would have been somewhere else as indicating the rest of an entire destination was just beyond the camera's view.
 
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mas8705

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Not sure if this is a step in the right direction or something that would count as "The future refused to change." I'd guess the latter.

It really does seem as though they are still attempting to have Destiny 2 turn as much of a profit as possible and not really fully addressing the issues that have plagued the game since launch. Even if this is a "change for the better," it is still apart of the overall issue that caused many players abandoned ship.
 

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Nothing would beat either (a) the complete removal of Eververse or (b) reverting Eververse to its more limited D1 iteration. This is shit is ass.
 

Dreams-Visions

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The Destiny community on GAF/ERA has become so insular that anything but unrelenting praise is met with ire.
wut

It's pretty crazy that we have come to a point where developers make announcement about new systems on how to make consumers pay, basically business models, instead of new additions which add to actual gameplay.

It's really become gambling because there's so much focus on how to extract money from players instead of giving them contents unlocked through gameplay.
for perspective, there have been several announcements on new features, system changes, and features as well as long range plan discussions and roadmaps.

this should be considered as one among many. this didn't come out of the blue, nor is it the only thing they have been announcing.
 

Dreams-Visions

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Destiny threads are always great for bolstering that ignore list. Come in pitchforks raised.
my mind is actually full of fuck. what thread was he reading where people are only praising Destiny 2? The D2 OT has been the polar opposite of that characterization for at least the last 6 months to the degree that people looking to discuss things other than the negative side of things felt uncomfortable.

So like...what? How did he extract, "they only want da praize or gtfo" from that thread?

i just...what

What Destiny 2 needs is additional content

What Bungie is adding is additional monetization.
explain the suggestion that new content isn't coming.

I mean like, literally next week is the second expansion...

You guys are making my head hurt.
 
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my mind is actually full of fuck. what thread was he reading where people are only praising Destiny 2? The D2 OT has been the polar opposite of that characterization for at least the last 6 months to the degree that people looking to discuss things other than the negative side of things felt uncomfortable.

So like...what? How did he extract, "they only want da praize or gtfo" from that thread?

i just...what


explain the suggestion that new content isn't coming.

I mean like, literally next week is the second expansion...

You guys are making my head hurt.
The second expansion which they will also be charging for?
 

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I almost want to pick up Destiny 2 because it's on the Humble Bundle for this month...is it worth it? How much fun can I get with my friends if I don't buy DLC/microtransaction?
 

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I almost want to pick up Destiny 2 because it's on the Humble Bundle for this month...is it worth it? How much fun can I get with my friends if I don't buy DLC/microtransaction?
It’s $12 so you’re getting a lot of content and value of a full game for very little risk. The main problems with the game involve the endgame which they been fixing for months so at the end of it all when you start doing higher level stuff you’ll need to make that dlc decision. Also feel free to visit the destiny 2 OT
 

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Err, I must be misreading but how does it lead to "more"? If I'm reading it right, your prism is made of items you haven't already acquired, resetting each week. That way, you don't get as many duplicates. But I don't see where you otherwise get an increased rate of acquisition or even necessarily a quality increase given most people won't open the prism 10 times in a week. Am I misunderstanding? Not to mention you only get one free facet each week and the rest are premium, so really its benefits will only be felt by those spending cash week-to-week ~ as much as 1800 silver.

I guess if you save up 10 facets over 10 weeks, that's a guaranteed exotic from the cash shop you'd otherwise never have gotten. But logging in each week to get a level up just so you might get a guaranteed exotic 10 weeks in seems like a total garbage system. I mean, congratulations to folk who love spending cash on microtransactions I guess. But for the casual player this is just more garbage.

Edit: Nevermind. You can't even save up 10 to ensure you get something you want. It caps at 3. Meaning you could have a 30% (if all items have equal odds in the prism) max in a given week if you save up for three weeks. Ugh, this is so arbitrarily and unnecessarily complex for such an unrewarding system.
It doesn't replace the bright engram system as I understand. Unless I'm completely mistaken.
 

Chettlar

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The Destiny community on GAF/ERA has become so insular that anything but unrelenting praise is met with ire. The common defense being quickly to point out hours of play or assumption about one's lack of play has become a pathetic tradition. I've already submitted to the fact that Destiny is (and has been) a monetized platform. It's commendable that they are looking into ways to make their systems less egregious but I wouldn't nor would I expect celebration for it.
....have you actually visited DestinyERA?
 

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There is a very vocal minority within the community that makes it impossible for me to be a part of it like I used to.

They will defend it no matter what.
Your post history demonstrates this to be false. Also just because a handful of people refuse to join you in your now years-long relentless personal grudges doesn't mean you are being excluded from anything.
 

.exe

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I almost want to pick up Destiny 2 because it's on the Humble Bundle for this month...is it worth it? How much fun can I get with my friends if I don't buy DLC/microtransaction?
For $12 it can be a lot of fun if you run through the campaign, strikes, quests, pvp, and the raid together with your friends. On your own YMMV (the grind from 250 to 280 Power is especially hellish if you don't min-max), but with a squad it can be a blast. Mind that strikes and campaign are 3 players max, pvp is 4 (6 in Iron Banner now, I think), and raid is 6.