It's telling how quickly people are to politicize a story like this and actually want mob justice; outrage culture is a disease
They don't believe in justice and aren't even pretending to
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[BuzzFeed] Five Kids Ages 12 To 16 Have Been Charged With Killing Nashville Musician
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It's telling how quickly people are to politicize a story like this and actually want mob justice; outrage culture is a disease
They don't believe in justice and aren't even pretending to
My brother is serving a 50 year sentence for armed robbery (stole from a house when they were caught a shotgun was found in a car). He was 17 at the time of the crime.
I think severe crimes committed by minors should be punishable by prison sentences which end when the perpetrator hits 30. Give them another chance once the idiocy of youth has worn off.
I think severe crimes committed by minors should be punishable by prison sentences which end when the perpetrator hits 30. Give them another chance once the idiocy of youth has worn off.
I've always been a proponent of punishing the parents. Has nothing to do with race.
The parents of all the white mass murdering school shooters should be punished, especially if they gave the guns to the kids or failed to safely store the weapons allowing easily access.
We can call them "The College Heights Five" and Trump can take out a newspaper ad condemning them.
Hey, I'm perfectly willing to accept they did do it, but as Elegant Weapon here says the story doesn't say there's any video or anything, so just from that I feel the release of identifying information of minors in unnecessary.
seriously, how? By saying we should wait for the facts and for the kids to be proven guilty by a fair trial?
seriously, what do you want other than that?
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Agreed
Holy smokes though , what are these kids parents been doing? Like what happened to teaching kids the difference between right and wrong?
I mean at that age you should know the concept of death and violence surely, there's no excuse in that especially since it was GTA/robbery as well
That is absolutely ridiculous unless the parent was directly involved in the committing of a crime.
Which doesn't reference simply being the parent of a child that goes on to commit a crime.
Parent's who dont keep their guns locked up properly should be held responsible, and often are. Granted it's almost always in a civil case and not criminal.
The 15 and 16 yr old should be tried as adults and get life.
Watching an episode of Forensic Files, a 16 yr old girl killed her parents and is in for life. It's a shame a human ruined their own life before it reached adulthood, but this shit is reprehensible.
We are not talking about a crime like theft/robbery/burglary, but 1st degree murder.
A parent should be held accountable for a minor committing 1st degree murder beyond civil causes of action.
But they aren't adults dude that's the whole problem. We cannot try people as adults if they're not adults.
That's a reasonable exception to my viewpoint; however not even the original article says that the guns involved belonged to the kids' parents. Just that it was stolen.
The argument that seems to be being made right now is that basically any parent of any violent criminal should also go to jail with them, which is nonsensical bloodlust and only going to exacerbate the shitty problems with our judicial system and how it already unfairly preys upon people of color.
No thanks.
The legal system isn't there for your own personal vendetta or retribution. It aims to bring justice whilst also rehabilitates the defendant. Jailing a child that could potentially get better will just fuck up their whole sanity. Yes it's fucked up they killed a man, but don't you think they could grow out of this experience?
It's also the reason Australian law can't criminally charge 10 year olds because of the mens rea rule.
Yeah that's a bad argument. There are clear examples of negligence by the patent, but saying it should be a given in all cases is just wrong headed.
Because they aren't adults. Being tried as a juvenile doesn't grant them a get out of jail free card, rather a more lenient sentence than being tried as an adult in order to REHABILITATE the children.
REHBAILITATION is the key to a striving society in the legal system. I don't get why people are saying stick the key up someone's ass and lock them up for life. That's not how the legal system works.
You are displaying a complete lack of understanding about why minors and adults are treated differently by the justice system.
But not old enough to be considered as an adult and truly knowing the repercussion of what they're doing... that's why they're not allowed to vote, sign a contract, consent to sex, drive, drink, and many other things... they're kids in any of these cases, why does this suddenly change when it involves murder?
You're all excepting freakin KIDS to grow up the same and everyone having the exact same cirumstances in life? This is ridiculous
In the majority of developed nations, that is the stated goal and primary aim of the justice system
well then might as well throw 7 y/o in jail like the guy in page 1 suggested.. IT'S MURDER AFTER ALL
How about they become eligible for parole at that point instead of automatically released?
The parole board could take a look at what they've done while incarcerated, and evaluate their overall degree of rehabilitation and whether they're ready for release.
Absolutely wrong. The primary aim of any modern justice system is to protect the innocent. Rehabilitation is a very secondary aim.
Which is done through reducing crime. It's been shown that rehabilitation is the best method to reduce crime. Thus, the system should rehabilitate offenders so that crime is reduced.
Quoted for truth.
Seriously some of yall are fucked in the head. It doesnt matter if they were serial killers, the mugshots of minors should not be released. Despite what they did, they still have rights. Which some of are so easy to throw out.
And before you @ me of course the singer had rights, that's why the kids have been arrested and charged.
These kids murdered someone in cold blood because he wouldn't let them steal his car. How do you rehabilitate what seems like utter sociopathy? It's not an easy question to answer, and because the primary goal of the justice system is to protect the innocent you should err on the safer side. Aka lock them up for longer.
Also secondary point. Longer prison sentences can go hand in hand with rehabilitation, if you define it from a lowered probability of recidivism rate. This study showed that longer prison sentences for juvenile homicide offenders was associated with a decreased recidivism rate. https://www.emeraldinsight.com/doi/abs/10.1108/JCP-11-2016-0038
Lower your voice, a 7 year old isn't stealing cars, wallets and guns
Hey since they've been caught and assuming everything is true, they'll probably get what they had coming. Being tried as an adult may be unnecessary.
They knew what they were doing when they decided to shoot the man. Lock em up and throw away the key, but they're still minors and shouldn't have their pictures paraded around on the internet. Besides that though I don't have much sympathy for those kids.
Five Kids murder a fucking person in cold blood. That's the story.
Holy shit these fucking posts, defending cold blooded murder....
Unless you think all five of these kids took turns with the gun and shooting this guy, then really only one of them committed murder and the others were 'along for the ride', so to speak. They probably aren't sociopaths, and simply committing murder does not make one a sociopath, so unless you have an actual medical diagnoses of these children (you don't) then claims like that are baseless. Further, the research shows that the younger an offender is, the more likely they are to be rehabilitated. Here is some relevant reading material for you:
https://www.macfound.org/media/article_pdfs/WILLINGNESSTOPAYFINAL.PDF
https://sites.hks.harvard.edu/ocpa/...ications/ntcc_the_future_of_youth_justice.pdf
http://www.nccp.org/publications/pub_1038.html
Longer prison sentences have many adverse effects, and make it reintegration into society much more difficult for all types of offenders. See here:
https://aspe.hhs.gov/basic-report/p...rceration-implications-post-prison-adjustment
The fact that these children could do and have done such thing just shows that society has failed them. They now should suffer the consequences, but children should never be tried as adults because they aren't adults.
Except in America, where rehabilitation is a four letter word since it would cut into the profits of privatized prison system and people are brainwashed in being ok with it by being "tough on crime".
We're not defending murder, we're arguing against the crazy concept of trying kids as adults, that's not the same...
They're five, some of them are 12 and 13 years old, but you're convinced they're all psychopath,... But oh silly me, you were obviously there, circumstances can't be different than what you constructed in your own mind right?
Like it's not possible at all that the younger one have been coerced or didn't want to go against them in fear of repercussion? And many other things could happen... They're freaking kids, but you already told yourself they're all monster that just decided to kill someone for fun!
And even if they were just that crazy, they're still kids, some of them definitely needs help, just locking them up will not solve anything and make them worse
some of you just want to outrage. I don't think anyone here defended murder but if they did you should quote them directly.
But you might want to wait for a trial before you convict them based on mob outrage, right?
Correct, when kids do things like this it means society has failed them, and thus society is responsible for attempting to rehabilitate them.
True, which is why I said "the majority of developed nations" and not "all developed nations".
This same dude wanted parents punished for raising bullies.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/13...-in-kansas-city-mo.76664/page-2#post-14135914
I haven't even commented on any sort of punishment for these kids, so how exactly am I out for blood? I'm commenting on the story as it's presented. A story involving a man that's been murdered, the anger is directed toward mugshots being released and Twitter users. So yeah, that's certainly strange to me. I don't think anyone is actually defending that their mugshots were released. Realistically it would make sense to not release anyones mugshots until they've actually been found guilty of whatever they're accused of.
As far as the guilty until proven innocent thing that you're talking about. That is something that you're afforded in a court of law. Not a court of public opinion. In this case there'd have to be a lot of coincidences for this to all be a mistake. Like for starters, why exactly did they have in their possession a loaded pistol that had already been reported stolen? They also had another loaded pistol in their possession, even though none of them were old enough that they could legally acquire a gun. Ballistic tests on those alone will tell the story.
How many fingers on a trigger?
This isn't a get out of jail free card for Liam and anyone else's problems with being responsible for their own shit. What this is is few kids that got caught up in a situation of leadership. Some too young to walk away or object. Some that maybe couldn't. This lynch mob mentality is predictable, and is reflexive. You all do it every time you think you smell blood in the water. It's unnecessary. You're all going to get what you want, some black kids locked up for life or dead, even if you kept your yaps shut.
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