Richter and Simon didn't come out at the same time but I don't think that's because they secretly hate Richter. Everything Nintendo has ever done with amiibo has made it seem like it's probably harder to produce than firing up the old 3D printer.
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Byleth from Fire Emblem: Three Houses announced for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate (launches on January 28th for $5.99) [SEE STAFF POST]
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Well, Sakurai made a big deal out of female Byleth's reveal and inclusion so I think we are going to get Female Amiibo.
I'm okay if they want to make more Amiibo for Hero, female characters like Robin, Villager and Corrin, etc. Then do it!
I'm okay if they want to make more Amiibo for Hero, female characters like Robin, Villager and Corrin, etc. Then do it!
I'm talking about the idea that Neoxon was talking about a female Corrin amiibo not happening for years
People would then complain about which character has the "lowest number" if this were the case.
Yeah. There's two distinct arguments here that are getting blurred together:
1) Yes, Smash should have more female characters.
2) The "this doesn't count because you have to press a button to get to them" thing is trying really hard to search for a point.
There was a massive delay in those last few Smash 4 amiibo that had nothing to do with Corrin having a female version specifically. Cloud and Bayonetta were in the same boat.
Well, Neoxon also swore up and down that Bayonetta would never happen and then she did.
It takes time to make Amiibo figurines and their molds and setting up for mass-manufacture for release.
Yea I always hated it because it almost goes out of its way to diminish the female alts in order to make it look worser than it is
Like, it's a valid thing to expect Sakurai to not do because he never did it before for any gender alts, including Robin. I'd be more than happy to see them do a F!Byleth amiibo, I just don't have any expectation since Sakurai's track record for female representation's a bit 'eh'.
TBH, Hero would have been the one standout addition for me in Pack 1 if it wasn't for a lack of F!Erdrick and Sofia. That said, my guess is that it is a mixture of SE sucking and Sakurai not really 'getting' it when it comes to representation.
Don't forget Female Erdrick. Though given Sakurai's account of the negotiations, it seems like neither of them were even brought up.
What does this mean
He specifically said that neither side brought that up?
Female and Male Byleth are treated as different characters in Japan. They actually have different names too (ベレト for Male, ベレス for female). I'm positive we will get both of them as amiibos.
Sakurai has discussed Hero alts that weren't used, and Sofia might be one of them, but I expect if he discussed DQ1 and DQ5's Heroes, Sofia would come up too.
There is the livestream interview that they suggested some names and female version never brought up. They suggested DQ1MC and DQMC5 but Sakurai chose to opted them and accepted DQ8 and DQIV as the choice from Square-Enix.
I mean him not mentioning something like "We discussed the possibility of F!Erdrick & Sophia but they fell through" along the lines of DQV Hero. Perhaps they were discussed & not mentioned, but there's no way of knowing either way.
That's big if Dragon Quest team actually suggested them in first place but it seems that they didn't in first place.
Given Sakurai's failings regarding representation, I can't say I'm very optimistic that he tried. And as IntelliHeath said, I'm going by the stream.
Maybe don't apply this level of fanfiction to business negotiations?
They could have (the Chinese localization uses different names, as well). But that's a question for the English localization team.
Ask Treehouse? It's such a weird choice and it ruined the joke in the trailer (Byleth Recruits Byleth????).
Perhaps, but Sakurai wanted to add DQ5 Hero, and SE pushed against it because they didn't want that character using a sword. With that in mind, I don't see it as Sakurai not having thought to ask about anything besides what SE offered.
Going on what I've seen of Sakurai's history of female representation, the notion that Sakurai didn't even think to use a female Hero alt feels believable, especially with how Hero doesn't even have a female character in the Final Smash.
Ehh, I guess we will never find out unless we're lucky.
I have been tempting to open my Fire Emblem Awakening copy so once I'm done with FE:A so I might consider to pick up Three Houses in the future considering people said that it was one of best Fire Emblem in decades or so which got my attention.
But I'm not sure if I want to play all three playthrough (which is like 200 hours according to few members) so which side had best and canon plot as much as it could have.?
I guess we won't know for sure either way. But yeah, I guess the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence.
I don't think the male default is a non-issue because the male default is a thing. Like, not a Smash Bros thing or a video game thing. There are numerous languages where that's how things are structured - even in Japanese which doesn't have grammatical gender like Spanish or French, a boy is "few years" while a young girl is "few girl". So it doesn't strike me as particularly unfair or pedantic to say that Smash Bros is contributing when it has an overwhelmingly male character select screen and buries the women as options, then says that's good enough.
However, I don't think it's necessarily for lack of effort on the part of Smash Bros that this happens, as this can also come from the pool that Smash Bros is drawing from. The whole concept of of Smash Bros is about pulling from source material, so if the source material is falling on the male default instead of flipping a coin, then that's likely going to be reflected in Smash as well.
However, I don't think it's necessarily for lack of effort on the part of Smash Bros that this happens, as this can also come from the pool that Smash Bros is drawing from. The whole concept of of Smash Bros is about pulling from source material, so if the source material is falling on the male default instead of flipping a coin, then that's likely going to be reflected in Smash as well.
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You have completely lost the plot.
Like, you've reached a point where you're looking for any tiny grain of sand that could support an argument that "Sakurai doesn't care about representation at all".
You can read Bereto and Beresu as Byleth depending on whether you want to pronounce the digraph, so I guess they thought they were being clever.
The thing of it is, it's not really flattering if we factored in alts, because most alts are male. It actually makes it worse for representation.
People are asking for quality representation, and alts/Echoes is not adequaate for that.
ok
I don't think it was being clever.
Byleth works as a gender-neutral name, so they probably felt that they could just make it easier than localizing two different strings. Obviously, the Treehouse had no idea how the Japanese audience would respond to separate names, nor did they have any idea that it would become part of a gag in a Smash trailer.
I thought it was implied by Sakurai that he is one that decided to not pick DQV MC because of him being well known as a character with staff?
As far as the interview went by, DQ8 was first suggestion and quickly accepted due the fact that DQ8 MC was extremely popular oversea but DQV got declined, and it went down between DQ1 and DQ4 but they turned down DQ1 due to not having unified appearance for some reason which seems strange. So DQ4 got in by default.
Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification.
The DQ1 logic is really weird.
Actually, I'm gonna have to disagree on the echoes part, as they're at least their own characters (on the "Everyone is Here" banner, their own Kirby hats, their own Amiibos, etc.). But all the same, I get your point.
"why'd they give the female protagonist a girlier name, huh? They didn't do that with Corrin!" - a message from an alternate universe
I understand that.
But that also doesn't meant that people like Neoxon haven't lost the plot.
I meant in terms of people seeking effort towards representation, Echoes don't cut it. They're nice, but I'm not nearly satisfied. I just want to see more female characters who get the effort that characters like King K. Rool and Ridley got.
I mean, I don't agree with that at all. F!Byleth being an alt is not by itself an issue, but it is in the context that male alts tend to get preferential treatment in Smash.
Beleth is a King of Hell in demonology but I guess that's too obscure for the English language Fire Emblem audience!
It was pointed out that out of the 13 characters we've had for DLC, THREE have been Fire Emblem characters, so nearly a quarter of the DLC Smash Bros has gotten in the past two games has been Fire Emblem characters.This should put things into perspective.
Yeah, that's a bit much.
OK.
That doesn't exactly make it cool to read non-existent intent or action in anecdotes of business discussions.
I did later acknowledge that it's probably a case of "the absence of evidence isn't the evidence of absence". But even then, you can understand why I'd feel pessimistic after this Fighters Pass being all primarily guys.
I mean, I don't think it's uncool either. It's not like Neoxon is making a serious claim against Sakurai, like saying he's a misogynist or something. He just suggested that he may have overlooked her, and given issues I've had with Sakurai and female representation, I find the notion that he may have believable.